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My first posting of this was rejected because it was so long, so I have cut in half. there will be a 1A and 1B will follow. This just means I have another opportunity to say, "Thank you all!" Kaline Goodrich Hermon Elem. & Middle School Librarian Hermon, ME Kaline--I have done simple bibliography lessons with sixth graders in the past by spreading a number of craft books out on the tables, preferably a couple of months before Christmas, and having the kids select different projects they thought they might like to do and composing them into a bibliography. This was much more interesting for them then just arranging the titles of books for no reason. You could do the same thing the next week with craft websites-- Good luck, Nancy Schiffer I made a worksheet for students to use to teach bibliography. I titled it "Where Did You Get That Information?" I made an activity out of it by placing an encyclopedia, a book, a magazine on each table. The students then had to write the necessary information down for each material. We don't have student Internet access so I didn't go into that, but gave them an example in case they used it at home. Laura Strickland, LMS I work in a middle school with 7th and 8th graders. I am always changing the way I teach bibliography. * Each student is given a copy of the bibliography format and blank index cards. I use their textbooks as examples. We do one textbook together. I show example on the blackboard. Then students do another textbook on their own. After examples are completed, I rotate the students through other examples. Print encyclopedia, web encyclopedia, magazine, book with multiple authors. The resources I choose are related to a topic they are studying. When bib cards are completed, I take them to the computer lab and the students produce a bibliography page using the bib cards. * Presently, I'm working with a 7th grade team on bibliography. I'm teaching bibliography different. I reproduced the worksheets from PowerTools (Joyce Valenza) available from ALA. The top of the worksheet has citation information the bottom has a place for notes. At the end of the week, the students will produce a bibliography page using the worksheets. Hope this helps, Michelle Marhefka I don't know if this is any help, but I teach in a p- 5th grade elementary school. I have created bib sheets and I attach them to the wall near the reference area. they are color coded, so if a kid is doing a book bib, they grab a pink sheet, encyclopedia - orange, internet -yellow, cd's - green. I will try and attach the sheet. nope, not on this computer... it looks like: BOOK BIB FORM author's last name ___________________, author's first name __________________. Title of book_______________ etc. etc. They fill in the blanks EVERY time they use a resource, and I have third graders doing this. They staple the bib forms ONTO their power outline, which we use as a form for taking notes. Later they get a lesson on how to take the bib forms, sort them by color and then how to create a bibliography page for their reports. Does this help??? The key is having the forms handy and easy to fill in. Each bib form is a half sheet of paper, but it could be smaller. They are part of my library woodwork. jonie fitzsimmons MIRLS Hi, I am teaching MLA to 5th-8th grades this year for the first time (I'm in a PreK-8th school). I spoke to the English dept chair for the public high school (across the street from our school) and the 3 Catholic high schools in town for the format they use -- MLA of course! I gave each student a handout of all the MLA formats to keep in their library folder as they would be seeing this info again and again. I explained that I was helping them prepare for high school by teaching them this necessary info. In our first lesson, I explained we would be learning and discussing how to write citations for all types of media but that we would do only one type of book,etc at a time. I also told them we would be learning how to take notes to write a great research paper. I then gave each child a book from the shelf and we discussed what info was needed (author, title, publisher, etc.). I used my MLA handbook (5th ed) as an example and had each student write the citation for the book they had. With the exception of a few everyone was able to find the info and correctly write the book citation. We'll also discuss how to write citations for other types of works but first we'll be using the encyclopedia to learn how to use notecards to take notes for a research paper. Hopefully everything goes as I hope this year with this project. Good luck to you! Gail Just a thought- I talk about bibliographies in relation to the credits at the end of a movie. It is not the best analogy but it gets the kids interested . (I do it with 5th graders). After a mini-lesson on proper format and several citations created as a group, the students pair up and create citations from carefully selected items. I do the mini-lesson on a white board with colored markers for each element. It jazzes things up a little and keeps their attention. The kids create their own "style" manual for future use. Good luck. Nancy Kaline - I work in a middle school and here's what I do: First, I have prepared worksheets for books, encylopedias, mags and Internet. Kids have to fill in the lines with the correct information. I start with books. We talk about what a bibliography is necessary and we go over where to find the information for the bibliography. Students fill in the correct info in the sheets. Then we talk about taking brief notes from books. I always use a set of Biography Today books for this, plus a few other collective biography books. Students take about 13 minutes to choose a person to read about and take some notes. Then they have about 10 minutes to write a short paragraph based on their notes. With the time remaining students stand up and read their paragraphs and the class has to guess who their person is. We usually run out of time and they come back the next day to finish. I do another lesson with computer printouts and talk about highlighting notes and how to do a bibliography for that format. I could send you a copy of these forms if you would like. Let me know. Joanie Marstiller, LMS Hi, Kaline: I teach 8th and try my best with this task! Most still don't get it--is it developmental?? I have a stack of newspapers in one part of the room, nonfiction in another part, magazines, etc. In small groups they visit each station and fill in the information for each resource using this type of form: BOOK ________________, __________________. _____________________________. etc. Author last name Author first name Title MAGAZINE ________________, __________________. "____________________________". etc. Author last name Author first name Article title etc. After they've completed this sheet, they must write the bibliography citations on their own piece of paper (indenting second line, Bibliography (centered) as title, alpha order) getting all the punctuation, caps, quotation marks, etc., correct. At least this method has a little get-up-and-move-around activity in it. Hope this helps! D I have made worksheets for the fifth graders to put in their research folders. I begin with a bibliographic citation for a book. (Later I add encyclopedia, article, video, etc.) First I make a list of the information that is needed. Then I make a sample format for the children to use AFTER they have listed the necessary parts. Then we write the citation correctly. We work together using one of their textbooks I print the worksheet on both sides. On the other side, the kids do the same thing with a book they are using for their report. It's really difficult for them. The task requires a lot of one-on-one AND "repetition." Lynne Milner, LMS You might want to try NoodleBib - I introduced it to my juniors last year and both the teachers and students think it is a life saver. www.noodletools.com Jennie Hoffman Hi Kaline, This is Chris. I am teaching my fifth graders the same MLA right now. The first thing is to make sure it's tied in with a research paper or book report. Or the kids won't care about it at all. Now, with my kids, I designed a sample card, which I used on my overhead. Then, I had kids bring cards with them, and we did it together. I handed out fiction books and together, we found the title and author. Then, I showed them where the publisher, date and location were. It went well, as I collected the cards and gave them to the teachers. They gave them grades, too. Good luck. I have a hand out with examples for each student. No matter what, they won't remember everything you say. I used overheads for examples during the lesson. Maybe you could have groups of 2-3 students each have a magazine, book, encyclopedia, and each group writes the bib and shares it with the class after you have already gone through it with everyone. That way they get immediate practice and feedback. Good luck. Hi Kaline! I work with teens, but the automatic MLA works cited page is our students favorite. It is called NoodleBib. Check it out with the following URL. Up at the top of the page it says "select a type" or something like that and it is a pull down menu. Select a book or magazine and let them type in the information in the various boxes. Play around with the cite and you'll see that students can create an entire works cited page. I hope that it isn't too advanced. Good luck on your presentation! -- http://www.noodletools.com/noodlebib/ Carol Hall, Librarian Check out the website for noodletools.com It makes great biblios, kids just feed it info needed. Barbara Although I probably stole this idea, I don't remember where it came from (maybe me?!) - I created a 'birth certificate' the students had to fill in after an explanation from me - the parent is the author, the baby's name the title, the hospital the publisher, city & date. Then they drew a 'baby picture' on the bottom - an idea from the book or even copied the cover. After the certificate, take those elements into the format of the bibliographic citation. I did it with 4th grade, but I don' t think there is a lesson out there that can't be modified to fit a different age group. Might be too cutesy for middle-schoolers, but it also reinforces the idea of intellectual property. good luck - Martha I, myself, almost died of boredom trying to teach bibliography skills to kids. I now just spend a period or two going over the kind of info that is required. I keep plenty of "cheat sheets" one for print and one for non-print by the copy machine. We "charge" the kids a citation before they are allowed to make a copy. Each time they do one, we check it out and go over their mistakes, what they might have missed, etc. For sixth graders, I just ask that the available info is written out, and don't worry about the punctuation or even the order. We leave that to their teachers. We are more strict with eighth graders. By the way, we have them write out the bibliographic info on a sheet of white copy paper. Then, when we make the copy, we run that sheet through backwards (upside-down), so that the bibliography is on the backside of the last page of the copied article. This has definitely cut down on the - "Mrs. B I have lost my bibliography on a book. It's in a red book about the Civil War..... or maybe it's blue?..." type of panicky visit from a student. They are so well trained I hardly ever have to remind them. As a matter of fact, I have more problems with teachers who tell the kids that no citation is needed - for those dodos, I ask that they at least request that the kids give the title of the source or the url of an internet site, and remind them of the importance of accountability. The teachers probably don't look at it, but the kids think they do, so they do not complain when we insist on a citation. (The only down-side to this is that we have to keep reminding the students that they also need bibliographic info when they just take notes and do not make a copy!) Susan ===== Kaline - all that glitters is not gold __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo! 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