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Please forgive this second post in one day on the Wikipedia topic, but this thread has really sparked some interesting discussion with my colleagues here including the following: 1) What do students understand about wikis as a whole? Last year, our school began using Moodle and many teachers began setting up "study guide wikis" for their classes. In these wikis, students may collectively create study guides for units before tests. However, it is made VERY CLEAR that each individual student is solely responisble for vetting and checking the information on the wiki before the test. If wrong content gets posted and a student gets marked down on a test as a result ... tough cookies. You should have checked the content in your own notes and text book!!! In our discussion here, we suspect that this practice has had the very nice side effect of making students much more aware of the empowerment of a group building the body of information together in a wiki, but also of the drawbacks and limits of the wiki as a tool. We now rarely get argument from students along the "why can't we cite Wikipedia" line. 2) What do you teach in your programs? Works cited lists? Works consulted lists? Bibliography? We call everything here "bibliography" but in reality it evolves as student moves from 7th through 9th. Our 7th graders submit "bibliographies" which are largely lists of works that they consulted, but by the time our Frosh leave us they are really turning lists of works that are cited in their papers. What do you do? Does it matter or am I just thinking too darned much??? dave Dave Wee, Librarian Harvard-Westlake Middle School 700 North Faring Road Los Angeles, CA 90077 dwee@hw dot com "The fact that she had a nut for a head made it hard for her mind to grasp new ideas." ~~ Miss Hickory, Carolyn Sherwin Bailey, 1946 ~~ ________________________________ From: School Library Media & Network Communications on behalf of Barbara COMBES Sent: Mon 2/2/2009 4:39 PM To: LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU Subject: Re: [LM_NET] Wikipedia Mmm ... I wasn't going to buy into this one, but we met one of the editors at the ASLA Conference in 2007. He had been editing Wikipedia for 3 years. Guess what - he was a 17 Y.O. schoolboy. There have also been a number of articles over the last few years about the quality of the editors and the editing process. Guess the major point we need to teach the kids here is that Wikipedia is a resources and like any resource - print or electronic, we need to verify the accuracy and authority of the source. Just because it is in print or even on a govt site does not make it factually correct. We ned to check the validity of the information and not rely on shortcut methods. Using several sources by different authors and checking their qualifications to make such statements is one way - using and information specialist (aka Librarian type person) is another. :) BC Vice President, Advocacy & Promotion, IASL: www.iasl-online.org LIS@ECU: http://www.chs.ecu.edu.au/portals/LIS/index.php Australian School Library Research Project: http://www.chs.ecu.edu.au/portals/ASLRP/ Barbara Combes, Lecturer School of Computer and Information Science Edith Cowan University, Perth Western Australia Ph: (08) 9370 6072 Email: b.combes@ecu.edu.au "Whatever the cost of our libraries, the price is cheap compared to that of an ignorant nation." Walter Cronkite This email is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify me immediately by return email or telephone and destroy the original message. -----Original Message----- From: School Library Media & Network Communications [mailto:LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] On Behalf Of Cheryl Youse Sent: Monday, 2 February 2009 11:32 PM To: LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU Subject: [LM_NET] Wikipedia At an NEH workshop last summer, I spoke with representatives of the National Endowment for the Humanities about Wikipedia. They told me their frustration was that only a small part of it may be edited at one time, so it is never quite up to date. They tried to edit the page about NEH so that it was current but were not permitted to edit enough to make it so. I've used that example with my students as a reason why not to use Wikipedia. -- Cheryl Youse, MLS Media Specialist Colquitt County High School Moultrie, GA cyouse@gmail.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- Please note: All LM_NET postings are protected by copyright law. You can prevent most e-mail filters from deleting LM_NET postings by adding LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU to your e-mail address book. 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