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I was very interested in Judy Brough's questions about discipline in K-5 schools. As an experienced librarian in both elementary and middle schools I find that the older the students get, the worse they act. I find that the majority of discipline problems in the library are a result of the following: 1. Librarians are not allowed to give grades; therefore they have nothing to hold over students who misbehave. Even if they give written tests over the skills they teach, there is no guarantee that the grades will be used as part of a language arts or reading grade by the classroom teacher. 2. Many teachers see the weekly library period as a "break" for them. This is a problem that is sometimes encouraged by the attitude of the administration. They view this time as a time to be free of their students and feel that the librarian is totally responsible for discipline, even to the extent that they are insulted when the librarian tries to talk with them about a problem student. Other teachers work well with the librarian, giving support when students misbehave. 3. There is no way that librarians can learn the names of each and every student in a school. Unfortunately, librarians learn the names of the problem students because they are the ones who seem to get the most attention. 4. There is no correlation between regular classroom activities and library activities; therefore many students see the library as a place to play instead of viewing it as a learning experience. Library skills are taught in isolation at a time determined by the librarian instead of in correlation with classroom activities that would be much more meaningful to the students. Many teachers still do not see the relationship between the library and the classroom. 5. Last, but not least, the attitude of the classroom teacher toward the library and librarian determines fully the attitude of the class when visiting the library. If the teacher views the library as an integral part of the learning process and discusses with the librarian beforehand meaningful activities for the students, the students will view the library as an important part of education. If the teacher sees no need for a library except as a break, and does not work with the librarian to plan meaningful activities, the students see the library time as play time and act accordingly. This is distressing because many students, even in this type of class, are interested in getting the most out of the library time and cannot because of the behavior of the others. I find this especially true when several students do not want to check out books and misbehave while I am working with those who do. I know I get on my soapbox about such things, but I am distressed when I cannot even read a story for 5 minutes without a student deliberately interrupting me for mundane reasons that have nothing to do with the story being read. One of the things I was taught in library school was that librarians should work with classroom teachers to provide meaningful experiences for the students. But if there is no cooperation, what are we to do? Misbehavior in the library seems to be a problem in not only the inner-city school where I work, but also the schools in more affluent neighborhoods and rural schools as well. --------------------------------------------------------------- MADELINE L. BUCHANAN DEMS105@UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU LIBRARY MEDIA SPECIALIST PHONE (205) 838-7644 BARRETT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL 7601 DIVISION AVENUE BIRMINGHAM, ALABAMA 35206 ---------------------------------------------------------------