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Dear LM-Netters, Thank you to all who responded when I asked for strategies to justify our cataloging staff when free or cheap bibliographic data is available from book sellers. A copy of the original message is attached to the end of this HIT>, in case you missed it the first time. I honestly expected at least one person to say they liked the data they get from book jobbers, but no one responded that way. (That speaks well for the level of professionalism of LM-Net members, I think.) ?8-) The last attached message was the darkest (most bleak?) response I received. It speaks for itself, I'm afraid. It was also fun to see the interest in the LC cataloging Bloopers file we keep. Our department appreciates the Library of Congress, we just get a kick when this seemingly faceless bureaucracy shows its more human side. I'll post more responses if interest in this topic continues. Again, thank you for the encouragement and suggestions. Vanessa Toyokura (toyokura@csn.org) LibraryData & Automation Services, Jefferson Co. Public Schools, Colorado =========================================================================== It sounds like you have a good start with what you posted...(Text deleted)... I would take what you told the net and personalize it just enough. You sounded rational and professional, rather than whiney. Sometimes, when you have to justify your existance that is a difficult task. Bravo. Good Luck Sara Wolf Swolf@nova.wright.edu _____________________________________ Well said! Just tell them what you've told us! Cathy Buffaloe, Librarian Miller Grove Junior High School miller_grove_jhs@solinet.net DeKalb County School System, Decatur, GA _____________________________________ I teach a cataloging class to students working toward media endorsements, so I would be very interested in the responses to your query. I would also be interested in your list of "bloopers." I think this would be good motivation for my class. Could you please send me a copy, either by E-mail or snail mail (address below)? Thanks in advance! Carolynne Lathrop E-mail: udclathr@lcac1.loras.edu Curriculum Library After Jan. 1, clathrop@univ.dbq.edu University of Dubuque Dubuque IA 52001 _____________________________________ Vanessa, I'd emphasis the benefits to the students. For example, being able to find the most materials because of the consistency and accuracy of the records, students have access to library media specialists because they are not busy cataloging. If students have access to all collections in the school district you can talk about the need for consistent cataloging. If you don't use the reasoning that in the future the district might want to do that because it allows students access to more materials and if the cataloging is done in a consistent manner at this time it will save time and money later because they will not have to pay to have the records redone. I have heard of several school districts that have had to recatalog entire collections because the records coming in from indiviual buildings were very different. Good luck. Joie Taylor Coordinator of Libraries, Columbus Public Schools email: jtaylor@gilligan.esu7.k12.ne.us _____________________ I'm shooting from the hip, but how about comparing the cost of the resource to the cost of access to it. One may pay $30.00 for an item but if the item is not "accessible" then the cost of the item is basically a waste. This is doubly true in a "union catalog" situation where browsing is not a problem. Julie A. Walker Director, Library & Media Services, District Media Center Round Rock ISD, Austin, TX 78729 jawalker@tenet.edu ________________ Vanessa, I thought you did a very nice job defending your jobs here on LM_NET! In my district, the clincher would be to ask those folks "Would you rather have a certificated teacher spend more time with kids or with MARC records?" I find it extremely valuable to be out there with the kids, even though I have so many things I could be doing in my office. We can be that significant other to many kids who have no other significant adult in their lives, and I think that's important! Sharon Wright swright@esd114.wednet.edu Central Kitsap S.D. Silverdale, WA ___________________ Vanessa I strongly sympathise with the difficult situation your Dept. is facing. I think the key here is to demonstrate to your District how essential and integral your records are to the quality of education in your District. Educators are increasingly aware of the importance of effective information access in achieving information literacy. Your administrators need to be made aware that if they reduce the quality of catalogue records in schools then over time they will also reduce effective access to resources causing increasing frustration for users and undermining information literacy programs. I realise this is a tough ask and that you have probably already argued along these lines but your administrators need to be convinced of the place and value of your work in educational terms so that they remain active and committed supporters. Do you provide any special additions or enhancements to the catalogue records for schools in your district that would otherwise not be available? For example, links to specific curriculums or programs present in your district or providing subject and genre access to all fiction resources? I enjoyed hearing about your technical services department and wish you well. As a matter of interest where in Colorado is Jefferson County? The name sounds familar. Regards Ashley Freeman Lecturer in Teacher Librarianship Charles Sturt University Wagga Wagga, Australia afreeman@wis.riv.csu.edu.au _______________________ From: "K. Gary Ambridge" <kga@umd5.umd.edu> I have some bad news for you. The Baltimore City Public Schools eliminated all cataloging service for our 220 schools. This was done this year and it has all ready caused problems as we do not have AIDES in our libraries. Good luck. Gary ================================================================= Thank you again to all who responded! I'll let you know how it all turns out. Vanessa ________________________ORIGINAL TARGET> MESSAGE ___________________ >From toyokura@teal.csn.org Sun Dec 4 17:56:50 1994 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 21:36:21 -0700 (MST) From: "Vanessa R. Toyokura" <toyokura@teal.csn.org> To: LM_NET@SUVM.SYR.EDU Subject: TARGET>Cataloging Staff and Budget Cuts I represent the technical services department for a large Colorado school district (132 schools, 80,000+ students). We provide cataloging, retrospective conversion, automation software technical support, and library automation "how-to" consulting services to the media centers in our district. In the face of budget cuts, our district has forced us to operated on a break-even, for-fee basis ... charging fees for every item we process/catalog. Once again, this year we are being asked to justify our jobs. QUESTION: How do school districts, public, and academic libraries justify cataloging staffs now that bibliographic records are available so cheaply from book vendors? Many of you must have been dissapointed in the quality of this type of cheap data. Even LC is not immune to mistakes. Our job is to catch those errors, provide quality original cataloging and catalog the great quantity of Audiovisual material for which cataloging is difficult to find. CIP data is often inaccurate, and many of our media specialists don't have the time or the experience with MARC it takes to produce a full record. We even keep a file of "LC Bloopers" with such gems as a bumble bee book with a mammals call number, an LC cataloger's initials and notes listed as a subject heading, a riddle book classed with folk dancing, and our favorite, a book on Wisconsin Cranberries with a Dewey number for Kola Nuts with Fleas! :-) Then there are incorrect ISBNs, typos, spelling errors, etc... which drive us crazy as catalogers. (Yes, we know we are a strange breed anyway.) ?8-) Database clean-up is just not something our LMSp have time to do. They want to work with kids, not MARC records. That's where my staff of detail-oriented, MARC-loving catalogers and clerks come in. We want to provide support, giving our Media Specialists the time and tools they need to teach. They are being forced to buy fewer books to pay for processing or settle for a higher degree of database pollution. Soon, they may not even have that choice. How do we convince administrators of the importance of "clean" data? Please respond to me directly at toyokura@CSN.org and I'll do my best to post a HIT>. Thank you in advance. Vanessa Toyokura toyokura@csn.org LibraryData & Automation Services, Jefferson Co. Public Schools, Colorado (It's not a typo :-) our LibraryData is one word)