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On March 26, Ken Haycock wrote: Are we in a time warp here? Class ranks still used? I haven't seen or heard of them for decades. I thought that we were more concerned about what a student can do, areas needing attention and what teachers, parents and the student can do to improve. Isn't this the basis of both improved standardized testing and authentic assessment. How is comparative data helpful? <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Good questions Ken! Unfortunately, Ohio is rapidly sinking backwards in time here, with a legislature that believes proficiency testing will somehow make schools more accountable and students more focused learners. Dispite this narrow perspective, the State Department of Education had made OBE a priority and had produced a standards document which would have been a guideline for an instructional program based on authentic performance indicators. During the hearing process, the fundamentalists mounted a frenzied and emotionally charged campaign that has caused our state legislators to declare that no form of outcome-based education will be a part of Ohio's schools. So, we are back at the level of a curriculum design that is assessed through objective testing and schools that still place great value on such things as class rank. I regularly have teachers in my courses who say, "we spend much of our time preparing our students to pass the proficiency tests." Have other states or provinces faced this problem? How have they moved beyond it? Marjorie Pappas Wright State University Dayton, OH mpappas@desire.wright.edu marjorieP@aol.com