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I don't think any of us would willingly give up CIP. You are quite right - it DOES save much time. What I ( and I think most of the other "mini-flamers") were objecting to was the attitude on the part of some catalogers and many cataloging classes that CIP is cast in stone, that LC is infallible. No two libraries are alike, and while we all need to be as consistant as possible, there are times when an exception or correction is in order. Regards, Mark