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I notice this thread is addictive; none of us can stop. I thought it would be more ontopic if we made it literary: Remember the World according to Garp? Well, remember how he remembered from his childhood trips to the beach that his parents always warned him about the dreaded Undertoad in the ocean? In my family, we still call it that. If you use your imagination, you can really picture it waiting down there under the waves... Wendy Waloff, librarian, frdschlib@hslc.org