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Dear group, All but 2 responses directly to me have been in agreement. For one of those 2 and any others I am forwarding the message below which I sent to the one other person who was not in total agreement. Please "excuse my french". I was (originally) speaking directly, personally to that person. I choose not to censor it now for it might change my intent of feeling. I know this is personal but when I first encountered this book, well, it was personal. When you work with kids you must be real. Tim ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 20:32:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Tim Lance <timlance@tenet.edu> To: Subject: Re: The Giving Tree J----, I know how you feel when you don't have at your hands that which you are terribly concerned at the moment -- that's another long story. Actually, I've never considered it as you have and I *do* now see your point as well as I might possibly be able. This is very personal but I will share it with you -- about the only time I have a strong "male ego" is when I think how glad I am that I am not a woman who is trying to find a good man. I know my brothers. As for the story I think the tree does need the boy and actually a case could be made for what is now called co-dependency but such a concept was not readily bandied about back then. Still, the whole point of unconditionalness is just that -- there is no condition, no expectation (hope and desire and dreams, yes; again speaking as a parent and longtime husband - over 20 years). On the other hand, Shel Silverstien (sp?) is basically a real shit (based on 1970's writings I remember from Playboy - my ego must tell you I haven't seen one in years). You know what really bothers me? Too many kids just don't get it -- I am in a rather "deprived" school. Take care, Tim