LM_NET: Library Media Networking
- Subject: HIT: LCD Panels - pros,cons and other options
- From: Liz Sargent <g-bardw@DUPAGELS.LIB.IL.US>
- Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 11:46:49 -0400
Greetings.
Thanks to everyone who responded to my question about LCD Panels. Your
insight has been very useful. I've attached the comments I received as
many people expressed interest in this topic.
Thanks again to all those responded. I hope this HIT is helpful as well.
Liz
From lalibert@interaccess.comSun Oct 15 11:02:26 1995
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 16:17:17 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Elizabeth A. Laliberte" <lalibert@interaccess.com>
To: Liz Sargent <g-bardw@DUPAGELS.LIB.IL.US>
Subject: Re: TARGET: LCD Panels
Hi Liz,
Good to hear from you. I have only very general comments. We can't dim
our library at all so we dump the picture from the computer monitor to a
tv monitor. In many cases, we lose the picture on the computer monitor,
but the TV monitor is much easier for a class to see. Betty
Betty Laliberte - Librarian voice 708-617-2454
York Community High School fax 708-617-2336
355 W. St. Charles Rd. email lalibert@interaccess.com
Elmhurst IL 60126 USA
From cookx041@gold.tc.umn.eduSun Oct 15 11:02:34 1995
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 95 17:49:13 -0500
From: Ginny Cook <cookx041@gold.tc.umn.edu>
To: Liz Sargent <g-bardw@DUPAGELS.LIB.IL.US>
Subject: Re: TARGET: LCD Panels
Liz, I'm a real novice but I have used the LCD with less than great
results. A lot of fine tuning is needed and then still the image is often
hard to see.
We have a MAC 660 AV which will allow us to hook into our TV and display on
that larger screen. That can be tricky too though as you need to create
computer settings, the entire computer screen is not viewed on the TV, and
it may be difficult to open what you need.
If you're rich I'd look into an new AV computer in the future if the
capabilities continue to improve.
Good luck.
From mgoolsby@medea.gp.usm.eduSun Oct 15 11:02:44 1995
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 18:40:50 -0500 (CDT)
From: Merril Goolsby <mgoolsby@medea.gp.usm.edu>
To: Liz Sargent <g-bardw@DUPAGELS.LIB.IL.US>
Subject: Re: TARGET: LCD Panels
Liz,
Have you thought about using a VGA converter that converts computer
screen images to tv. We don't have one yet, but I did see one
demonstrated at a workshop a couple of weeks ago and I was very
impressed. The picture was very good and the lights did not have to be
off. The brand I saw was an AverKey 3 and it sells for about $400.00.
You do not have to have any drivers or software to connect this. You can
also connect VCR's or Laserdisc players to it along with the PC. If you
do not have to have a large screen, this would be much cheaper than an
LCD panel. I left my PC Shopper at school but if you need a place to
call for purchase let me know.
Hope this helps!
Merril Goolsby
Biloxi High School
Biloxi, MS
mgoolsby@medea.gp.usm.edu
From klaffert@pen.k12.va.usSun Oct 15 11:02:53 1995
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 95 19:43:20 EDT
From: "Kathryn K. Lafferty" <klaffert@pen.k12.va.us>
To: g-bardw@DUPAGELS.LIB.IL.US
Subject: Re: TARGET: LCD Panels
Depends in part on the type of computer you have. The TVators
are great, and you can zoom in to get readable text, but if you
don't have a port it can plug into, it won't work. A TVator
and a video card are probably cheaper than a good LCD panel,
and the special overhead you'll need to go with it. Another
alternative is a video projection camera. These work really
well, but again, are expensive. They can take the place of an
opaque projector, too, which gives them more flexibility.
--
Kathy Lafferty
klaffert@pen.k12.va.us
Patrick Henry Elementary School
Alexandria, VA
From EHS_KM@ncocc.ohio.govSun Oct 15 11:03:11 1995
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 1995 22:33:03 -0500 (EST)
From: "Karen McLachlan, Media Specialist" <EHS_KM@ncocc.ohio.gov>
To: Liz Sargent <g-bardw@DUPAGELS.LIB.IL.US>
Subject: Re: TARGET: LCD Panels
Liz,
I hope you will be able to post a HIT on this as I am in the
exact same process you describe. Thanks!
Karen McLachlan, Media Specialist/Technology Coordinator
East Knox High School ehs_km@ncocc.ohio.gov
23227 Coshocton Rd Phone: 614-599-7000
Howard, Ohio 43028 Fax: 614-599-5863
From winnie@tenet.eduSun Oct 15 11:03:58 1995
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 06:37:43 -0500 (CDT)
From: Winnie W Ngan <winnie@tenet.edu>
To: Liz Sargent <g-bardw@DUPAGELS.LIB.IL.US>
Subject: Re: TARGET: LCD Panels
Dear Liz--Multimedia Schools (magazine) published an article in their
Sept. issue about LCD panels and projection units. It also had a few
paragraphs about using a TV. It had a bibliography citing the articles
from trade magazines (PC, MacWorld, etc.)
If you can't get a hold of the issue, let me know and I can fax you a copy.
From winnie@tenet.eduSun Oct 15 11:04:06 1995
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 06:38:28 -0500 (CDT)
From: Winnie W Ngan <winnie@tenet.edu>
To: Liz Sargent <g-bardw@DUPAGELS.LIB.IL.US>
Subject: Re: TARGET: LCD Panels
Dear Liz--Forgot to put my sig at the bottom.
Winnie Ngan St. Francis Episcopal School
Librarian 335 Piney Point Road
winnie@tenet.edu Houston, TX 77024
Fax: 713-782-4720 713-782-0481
From sparks@pen.k12.va.usSun Oct 15 11:04:13 1995
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 95 8:00:48 EDT
From: Sandra Lee Parks <sparks@pen.k12.va.us>
To: g-bardw@DUPAGELS.LIB.IL.US
Subject: Re: TARGET: LCD Panels
We have been using something called a TVator which hooks
directly from a Mac or MS-DOS into a TV via a S-VHS or RCA
hookup. No extra card needed. Resolution is fairly good if you
zoom in when you want the class to actually reada something.
Cost is $369.00. We got ours from Metropolitan Audio-Visual in
Falls Church, VA.
Sandra Parks
sparks@pen.k12.va.us
Harrisonburg High School
395 S. High St.
Harrisonburg, VA 22801
From MARTINV@TEN-NASH.TEN.K12.TN.USSun Oct 15 11:04:24 1995
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 07:15:22 -0600 (CST)
From: MARTINV@TEN-NASH.TEN.K12.TN.US
To: g-bardw@dupagels.lib.il.us
Subject: CD screens
Our 21st Century classrooms are provided with something called an AverKey
that will connect the computer with a large-screen (25" in our case) tv.
It is just a box-type connector that costs about $145-150. I haven't
used it myself, but it should do what you want.
Va. Martin MartinV@ten-nash.ten.k12.tn.us
Ketron Middle School
Kingsport, TN
From NL_JHALAIKO@SEOVEC.OHIO.GOVSun Oct 15 11:04:36 1995
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 10:34:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: NL_JHALAIKO@SEOVEC.OHIO.GOV
To: Liz Sargent <g-bardw@DUPAGELS.LIB.IL.US>
Subject: Re: TARGET: LCD Panels
Liz
I have use the LCD Panel with great success both in the classroom and
when teaching workshops.
Janie Halaiko
nl_jhalaiko@seovec.ohio.gov
From mbeckelh@access.k12.wv.usSun Oct 15 11:04:44 1995
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 95 13:19:03 PDT
From: Mary Beckelhimer <mbeckelh@access.k12.wv.us>
To: Liz Sargent <g-bardw@DUPAGELS.LIB.IL.US>
Subject: RE: TARGET: LCD Panels
We have both LCD projection panels/overheads (3) and large screen TVs to
project
from computers. On the whole, most teachers prefer the large screen TV
using
Presenter Plus as an interface ($280).
Reasons,
1. They are familiar with TVs.
2. TVs work better in a room that can't be darkened completely.
3. They don't have to worry about finding a projection screen.
On the other hand, the projection panel is better if the group gets over
30. It
can be
enlarged so that more can see it.
I tend to use the projection panel but probably won't buy any more as the
overall
cost of
panel and overhead projector is in the $5000.00 range. The 31" TV, cart
and inte
rface
box can be bought for about $1500.00.
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Name: Mary Beckelhimer
Winfield High School librarian
(304)586-3601
E-mail: mbeckelh@access.k12.wv.us (Mary Beckelhimer)
Date: 10/10/95
Time: 13:19:03
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From jennym@tripath.colosys.netSun Oct 15 11:04:53 1995
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:02:28 -0600 (MDT)
From: Jenifer Moreland <jennym@tripath.colosys.net>
To: Liz Sargent <g-bardw@DUPAGELS.LIB.IL.US>
Subject: Re: TARGET: LCD Panels
Liz: We use a ProPC/TV Plus converter, which only costs about $135.00
and is readily available. It will convert whatever is on your computer
screen into an image on a TV screen. We have been very happy with the
results.
Jennifer Moreland, Redlands Middle School (jennym@tripath.colosys.net)>
From Gail.Froyen@UNI.EDUSun Oct 15 11:05:16 1995
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 13:29:18 -0500
From: Gail.Froyen@UNI.EDU
To: Multiple recipients of list LM_NET <LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
Subject: LCD panels
I forwarded the request for LCD panels to our technology coordinator and
what follows is his reply.
I would suggest that LCD panels are not necessarily the best answer to
showing
a room of students a computer screen. At Price Laboratory School in Cedar
Falls Iowa we have just purchased a 31" Panasonic Monitor for $800, a scan
converter for $400 and a Power PC. We have placed them all on a cart and
it is
much more legible than our color LCD panel which costs $2400 for a color
display. Leigh Zeitz.
Hope this helps
Gail.Froyen@UNI.EDU
From xvd000@lion.connect.more.netSun Oct 15 11:05:34 1995
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 15:37:09 -0500
From: Cheri Quillin <xvd000@lion.connect.more.net>
To: Liz Sargent <g-bardw@DUPAGELS.LIB.IL.US>
Subject: Re: TARGET: LCD Panels
Liz,
We use a little gadget called ProPC/TV Plus which we purchased from
Damark's catalog for around $150. We like it as it is inexpensive, color,
and we don't have to mess with an overhead projector and screen. We hook it
up to our big screen TV. The only drawback is that Damark doesn't honor
purchase orders, and so must be put on a credit card or have check
accompanying order (also slow delivery). I am at school now, and my catalog
is at home--so can't provide an address or phone number at the moment. If
you are interested in going this route, get back with me and I will get the
address for you.
Cheri Quillin____/\/\/\/\_____A Virtual Librarian...Catalyst for Change
Lamar High School - 503 Maple St. - Lamar, Missouri 64759 - ph. 417-682-5571
email xvd000@mail.connect.more.net Fax: 417-682-3420
From dmcdouga@moe.coe.uga.eduSun Oct 15 11:05:52 1995
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 20:04:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Dr. Dana McDougald" <dmcdouga@moe.coe.uga.edu>
To: Liz Sargent <g-bardw@DUPAGELS.LIB.IL.US>
Subject: Re: TARGET: LCD Panels
We use a Sharp LCD projector and are delighted. The image on the screen
is sharp, even video images from CD-ROMs. It is so easy to connect to
either Macs or IBMs -- just place attachment in monitor port. I love it,
I love it, I love it.
Dana McDougald, Media Specialist
Cedar Shoals H. S.
Athens, Ga. 30605
dmcdouga@moe.coe.uga.edu
From mkauder@umd5.umd.eduSun Oct 15 11:06:02 1995
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 10:06:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Kauder - Margaret <mkauder@umd5.umd.edu>
To: Liz Sargent <g-bardw@DUPAGELS.LIB.IL.US>
Subject: Re: TARGET: LCD Panels
hi- i just purchased a small "splitter" which does exactly what you want
-- it's great as a teaching tool as the group can see everything on the
computer monitor as well as seeing it on the t.v. screen Its called the
tiger splitter.. Here are the pertinent phone #s for the corp. in ca. 310
926 1928, and its called the tv elite. you'll love it!
From PaulAdairS@aol.comSun Oct 15 11:06:13 1995
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 00:11:30 -0400
From: PaulAdairS@aol.com
To: g-bardw@dupagels.lib.il.us
Subject: LCD panels/TV
Dear Liz:
We have an LCD panel at our school which has been very unsatisfactory.
(Color is terrible, words are fuzzy, etc.). This is an InFocus machine (I'm
at home and can't remember the number), but it's a passive matrix and "only"
cost around $2000. Active matrix machines are much better, and the really
good ones are very costly.
As an alternate solution, we're using a scan converter to transfer the image
from the computer to the TV. We have the Presenter Plus 3, which is okay,
but my favorite is the TVator. It costs $299 retail, and requires NO
software installation. It works on Mac and IBM, and gives good quality
color. You can use the zoom feature to zoom in on an area of the screen, and
pan around to show the students all the features of a particular software
program. Right now, it's my favorite toy, and works well in the classroom.
For large classes, we use two TVs, hook the TVator up to the VCR, and
run a
splitter from the VCR to both TVs.
A solution I saw demonstrated at a conference last year involved using a
video projector with a scan converter to project the image to a regular movie
screen. There was little or no distortion of the image, and the colors were
great. I hope someday our district can afford the video projector (it runs
between $3000 and $4000).
In my humble opinion, most LCD panels that schools can afford aren't worth
the money. Maybe you'll find out about a good affordable one. Let us know
if you do, okay?
Thanks!
Hope this helps.
Sylvia Adair, Library Media Specialist
Lomira, Wisconsin
PaulAdairS@aol.com
From sge006@lion.connect.more.netSun Oct 15 11:06:19 1995
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 08:50:45 -0500
From: David Null <sge006@lion.connect.more.net>
To: g-bardw@dupagels.lib.il.us
Subject: LCD Panel Recommendation
Dear Liz,
In reply to your request on LM_NET, I can recommend the LCD panel we
purchased last spring: nVIEW's Viewframe TFT. The color is great, and you
can view both your terminal screen and the projected image at the same time.
In addition, cables for Apple computers are included. At a price of
approximately $2,000, it's quite reasonable. We did have to purchase an
overhead projector with 4,000 lumens (about $400) to use in conjunction with
it in order to get the sharpest image possible.
David Null
David Null
Librarian/Technology Support Specialist
Wentzville High School
600 Campus Drive
Wentzville, MO 63385
sge006@mail.connect.more.net
(314)327-3892
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