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Sorry this came in 2 parts. I was having trouble sending it from my word=20 processor. Carole Perla From: Russell Smith <rssmith@tenet.edu> Subject: Re: TARGET: CD's downloaded onto a hard drive 1. =20 I have been told that if I purchased a large hard drive (2-4 gigabytes)=20 I can copy all the files from a CD to the hard drive and the student can=20 access the information from the hard drive. It is my understanding that=20 mthis method is faster than the student reading the info from the CD ROM=20 drive.=20 Can be done. CCC does it on their Integrated Learning Labs using a 9 Gig HD for the software. TENET does it for Grolier's Encyclopedia online for the educators (no graphics though). 2. Also, can I purchase multiple CD ROM drives and daisy chain them together to emulate a CD tower.=20 Possibly....never seen it done, but it sounds feasible....may be too difficult though for the netware software.=20 Russell Smith rssmith@tenet.edu rssmith7@delphi.com Ed.Tech Consultant Newspaper and Magazine Columnist Region 14 ESC Abilene, Tx Fax 915.675.8659 Voice 915.675.8647 *************************** Carol, I don't know about the copying from cd to hard drive; I would think that you could get into copyright problems? Many disks are legally networkable, so you can certainly daisy chain some drives together to emulate a tower. I would NOT do that unless you are networking them, however, because to do so actually decreases access until you network.=20 =09We run around 22 drives on our Novell 3.11 network. We did NOT go with the high-end solutions. We use both CD-NEt from Meridian (1st choice) and CD-CONNECT from CBIS in Georgia. This software runs around $700 and requires a dedicated computer in both cases to manage the cd's.? Help and requires a dedicated computer in both cases to manage the cd's. You can find a lot of help on this on Compuserve's cd forum and the professional cd forum.=20 =09You need LOTS of RAM on workstations and the cd server and your network server, so if you don't have lots of RAM, get that first. Hope this helps. =20 Dana Pope popeda@heidelberg-emh2.army.mil=20 ****************************************** From: David Sparks<dsparks@blueearth.k12.cfa.org>=20 We have copied up to three cd's to a our file server's 2 gigabyte harddrive. (SIRS, Infotrac) Then people on the network can access the CD ROM information faster and more efficiently. We have also had 2-3 CD ROM drives hooked together as part of our Mac Ethernet network. So both of those options can work. =20 David Sparks dsparks@blueearth.k12.cfa.org Blue Earth Area Schools (507) 526-3683 1125 Highway 169 N. Blue Earth, MN 56013 ******************* From: Carol Simpson <csimpson@tenet.edu> A couple of issues are involved here. First, you can't copy the CD if you don't have rights to do so.=20 You must clarify this with the copyright owner BEFORE you make the copy. Some CD programs look for MS Extensions before they will load the program.= =20 You only get MS Extensions if you are running a CDROM drive. That can be a problem. Others have hidden or other types of files that won't copy with a standard "copy" command. There is a listserv that discusses only these types of issues. It is called CDROMLAN, and I think the address is idbsu.idbsu.edu. =20 Carol Mann Simpson csimpson@tenet.edu Facilitator - Library Technology 214 882-7450? Help M Main Menu ****************************=20 From: rosemary knapp <rknapp@potlatch.esd112.wednet.edu> =B1 Yes, you can download CD's onto a hard drive and run them faster. We will be having a new Ethernet network with Macintoshes in our library this fall. I bought a 2 gig drive and it has on it Ebsco's MAS and SIRS downloaded from the CD's. It works swell!! =20 Rosemary Knapp / Camas High School voice (206) 834-8806 / 1612 N.E. Garfield St. fax (206) 834-9416 / Camas, WA 98607 (rknapp@potlatch.esd112.wednet.edu)=20 ************************************* From: "Alvin R. Roth"=20 <aroth@mail.district.stpaul.k12.mn.us>=20 Both are fesible. We have schools doing both. At the current time we=20 like the HD idea better as HD's art much faster than CD's.=20 Alvin R. Roth=20 Assistant Director, Instructional Media St. Paul Public Schools 1930 Como Avenue St. Paul MN 55108 Voice (612)293-8783 FAX (612)293-8990=20 ******************************************************* From: pdibianc@llwnet.bbn.com I have a 4 gigabyte hard drive on my network and we downloaded SIRS from CD-ROM onto it. It was not simple and the district technician was on the phone with Technical Support from SIRS in order to get it to work, but it's fine on a network. We have used it on about 10 computers simultaneously without a problem.=20 Phyllis DiBianco Yorktown High School Library Yorktown Heights, NY 10598 From: EDUC_ND@centum.utulsa.edu=20 ********************************************************* From: Don Shields <don.shields@musd.k12.ca.us> Carole, are you talking about a standalone PC or a network server? If on a standalone PC, yes it is possible on some CD-ROMS, but others may not.=20 There are some protection schemes out and some others will look for mscdex drivers. Also you need to make sure that your BIOS will support more than a gig HD (most bios's after Oct. 94'). On a Novell server it is not a wise idea, a 4 gig hard drive would require at least 64+ meg of memory. As a CD-ROM can contain up to 600mb but some are much less, ie.? It is not a wise idea, a 4 gig hard drive would require at least 64+ meg of memory. As a CD-ROM can contain up to 600mb but some are much less, ie. 200mb or sometimes smaller or do not have many files on them, I will load them to the hard drive. I do not do it for the bulk of the CD-ROM's. You can purchase multiple CD ROM drives and daisy chain them togethe to emulate a CD tower, but on a standalone PC you will run out of interupts unless you use SCSI. Shop wisely if this is what you want to do. If on a network the workstation can share with other PC's, if standalone you may want to look at a changer like the Pioneer CD-ROM. =20 Don Shields Mammoth Unified School Dist. Network Administrator don.shields@musd.k12.ca.us=20 ************************************************* From: "K. Gary Ambridge" <kga@umd5.umd.edu> We include a 9 gig hard drive as part of the library configuration. We do load Cds on to it and it is faster. But there is a down side. Because it takes so long to load, do not use a CD that is updated frequently. Also, you must buy a network version taht is much more expensive than a stand alone. =20 K. Gary Ambridge, Curriculum Specialist Baltimore City Public Schools Office of Instructional Technology and Library Media Services 2500 East Northern Parkway Baltimore, Maryland 21214 410/396-7663 410/426-6750 FAX=20 ************************************** From: Jackie Carrigan PLAINFIELD COMM SCHLS <carrigan@ideanet.doe.state.in.us> We have daisy chained 7 cd players and have been using it for about 8 years. It is networked into our whole building, and we have dial-in access to it also. Works wonderfully!!! We use Optinet on our Novell network.=20 Jackie Carrigan Plainfield Schools Plainfield, IN=20 ************************************ From: Robert Demarest <csnaples@gate.net> I can think of some problems. Yes you could transfer the data to a hard disk and response time would be great, but it is an expensive solution. You would also need to find a way to keep these files "read-only" because some students with a little know-how could easily alter any of the data. You would probably be violating your license agreement. If better response time is what you are after consider faster CD-ROM drives. The quad speed drive are pretty good. You can daisy chain SCSI drives, to a practical max of six or seven per controller card. Some towers allow multiple drives to use just a single SCSI address and provide for up to 49 drives. Time to read some good computer mags. I think there is also a Library related company in MN (Axxess or something similar) with great prices and considerable expertise. Will try to send the URL if I can find it among my ENDcompany in MN (Axxess or something similar) with great prices and considerable expertise. Will try to send the URL if I can find it among my bookmarks. ************************