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Well, gang. . . The common understanding of the origination of this sagging pants business= seems to be the prison culture. Belts are not permitted and the cuisine= isn't the best, so many lose inches and their pants sag. ( A couple of= responses indicated that the sagging pants was an invitation to sexual= advances - or a sign of sexual availability - I could not disregard this= point entirely ... and it might get some of them to pull them britches up.) The term "jailing" came up several times referring to the method of wearing= the pants. It is an indication on the block that a person had done time in= prison. It might also come from being able to conceal weapons - especially when= combined with those shirts or jerseys with long tails... There was some concern by one person about the fear we host about people= wearing the style. At our 4th and 5th grade school, it isn't so much a= fear of the child as it is a fear that the style instills an attitude of= contempt or disregard for the mainstream acceptance of proper attire and= conduct. I find it quite interesting that we are supposed to instill in= our students an attitude of intellectual curiosity and ambition ... as well= as many character traits which should cause our society as a whole to grow= and prosper ... yet many parents might feel it unnecessary for us to become= fashion police patroling every hall. . . Personally, I think our society has become one rich in a non-inteference and= non-judgmental attitude - much to our chagrin. Students have no fear of= doing what they will at every turn because they know that teachers and= administrators can't do much but send them home (they don't want to be in= school in the first place) to parents who have too many irons in the fires= themselves to deal with growing pains of a borderline uncontrollable= individual as well. . . Interestingly enough, the phrase "It takes a whole= village to raise a child" has been bantered around in many educational= circles of late, yet we often are reluctant to correct personality traits= which we see as detrimental to the individual in the short term and society= in the long run... We no longer live in a society where parents know what= their children have been doing all afternoon before the children get home. = I think we are moving toward the other extreme where children feel as= though no one is watching so they do outrageous things for the shock effect= and more basically to get attention. . . Perhaps we are making too much of a simple passing fad - like goldfish= eating or telephone booth stuffing; perhaps the kids who we think will end= up as a statistic under the heading of "dead before graduation" will find= themselves and become great poets and musicians in spite of what we think= now; perhaps they will see the light at the end of the tunnel and pull= their pants up in order to run to succeed; perhaps they will astound many= of us with how much they have actually been listening to in our efforts to= steer them through the many pitfalls they have yet to face and overcome ...= perhaps not. I really didn't mean to take this topic to the "Dennis Miller Rant" level. .= . Please forgive me. . . I think I speak for many of us when I conclude that= one of our major concerns is that these students realize the real= importance of a first impression and that many of them aren't making a very= favorable one... You never get a second chance to make a first impression and the clothes= make the man come to mind. . . And with that said, I will close like Dennis Miller - I could be wrong. Thanks for listening - reading. . . Aloha... Earl J. Moniz (emoniz@christcom.net OR emoniz@nccu.net) Just doing what I can with what I have from where I am...