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Thank you, thank you, thank you! For all the great info. I am passing this along as I have been asked. This sure is a terrific way for everyone to help each other as well as our schools and patrons. Kris, Would you please share info you receive??? I am (will be) in the same boat. Annie Lokrantz We barcoded 10,000 books in 3-4 days with 3 people. This is an average based on barcoding in 5 different libraries. The time differences are because some people were faster workers! Dear Kris, I spent 137 hours last summer applying barcodes to about 9,200 books. That includes time spend typing info for barcodes not produced because on the inadequacies of the shelf list I sent to Winnebago. It's a rather boring job, but with a good radio not bad. Your library will never be more organized than when you finish the job of barcoding. R. Otte South Christian High School Grand Rapids MI Dear Kris, My memory is somewhat foggy but I think we bar-coded my library in approx. 2 and 1/2 days using four teams, one barcoding the book, the other the shelf list card. We have approx. 10,000 books. We did about three or four libraries one summer. Once you get in a rhythm it really moved right along. When we automated several years ago I could average between 150 and 200 books an hour. This did not hold true for student helpers or other volunteers. The books must be as true to shelf order as possible if that is the way the bar codes are comming. Encyclopedias slowed us down, we needed to check the volume numbers to make sure that everything matched. Margaret Shaffer Easton High School Library Media Specialist 723 Mecklenburg Ave Easton MD 21601 When I barcoded my collection 8 years ago members of the PTA volunteered to put the bar codes on the books. At that time I entered all the data myself and was able to print out a list of all the books in the collection with the title, author, call no. and barcode number. The volunteers took these lists and the barcodes to the shelves and put the barcodes on. It took about one week with about three volunteers working 3 hours a day. Kathy Geronzin Northeast MS-HS Librarian Goose Lake, IA 52060 319-577-2249 FAX 319-577-2248 kgeronzin@po-1.northeast.k12.ia.us Kris, I just sent a message about barcoding and forgot to mention that if you put the barcodes on the front cover in the left hand corner of the books this helps save time. Also, place the barcodes over the plastic jackets with the label protector over them. First, it would be wonderful if your software and data for your circ. program were alresdy installed and tested. Next, If you have a secretary or aide (full time) the two of you can each work with a volunteer parent or "certain" students, of your choice, and work as two teams, in seperate areas. It would not be a good idea to try to work without several breaks and no longer than about 3hrs without dooing something else. It get too tedious and it becomes too easy to err. Order ONLY SMART barcodes and use label protectors, you can have a student follow each team and apply the protectors. Time would depend on your collection size. chech barcode against the master list at least twice before applying the barcode. Have fun!!! Clete Schirra schirrac@lis.pitt.edu South Park High School Media Center schirra@calvin.duq.edu 2178 Ridge Road Library, PA 15129 cschirra@aiu-server.aiu.k12.pa.us (412) 655-0613 voice Library PA 15129 (412) 655-1463 fax It is a time consuming process. I can't give you a number of books per hour because it will depend on the amount of help. Not only must the books be barcoded, but so must the shelf list so that it can be entered in the data base, hopefully by someone else. In Fort Worth we use three bar codes per book. One on the shelf list card, one on the front cover of the book and one on the inside back cover of the book. The ones on the book are covered with tape to prevent removal, fading, etc. After the database is loaded, you can discard the shelf list cards once you are fairly certain that everything is set up correctly. Last year when I was able to spend a fairly uninterrupted day onbarcoding, I would be able to barcode as many books as I could get on one side of a three-shelf bookcart and maybe part of the second side if that will give you a clue to how fast it goes. Carl Seale, Librarian cseale@tenet.edu * Fort Worth ISD Fort Worth, TX You may want to think about not only placing the barcode in the book but also writing the BC number in the book in a couple of places. We write ours on the inside cover and the title page. This has saved us hours of time when we get a book returned that we have several copies of, with the BC torn out. It makes it easier to look up which particular copy we're dealing with and then we can quickly just slap a new BC in the book, rewrite the BC numbers and change the number in the database. Make sure you weed your collection BEFORE you put barcodes in. It may also be unrealistic to try to BC the whole collection before you automate. You migh be able to get a fairly large percentage done, but you'll also be barcoding and entering data on the fly. When a team of library personnel went to a school in a county in which I do consulting work, each person took a shelf and was able to BC and write the numbers in for about 2 full shelves in the morning allotted. It tends to go fairly slowly, but I suppose if you had a team of volunteers to spend some weekends, you might be able to do a collection (you didn't say how big your collection was) in a couple of months of steady work every Saturday, all day. Kathy Graves, IMC Director/Librarian e-mail: kgraves@sisnet.ssku.k12.ca.us FAX: 916-842-8436 hmpg: http://www.sisnet.ssku.k12.ca.us/~imcftp AV: 916-842-8428 Phone: 916-842-8427 Library: 916-842-8430 Using Follett's Alliance+, library staff and educated volunteers, and 15,000 items, it takes 2 years and then some for original marc records. This will give you time for running reports which point out your errors, etc. Phyllis We just finished doing ours...with the exceptions of the problem books. (We had 13,000+ to do.) We never timed it by the book, but I'd quesstimate that it takes a minimum of 20 seconds per book. We put protectors over the labels, also. That is included in the 20 seconds. We found a number of bokks where there were mistakes, either caused by us or by the automating company. These problem books were set aside and we're still working on them 2 months after the barcodes were officially "finished". Whatever numbers you decide on, add time to it because it will always take longer than planned. We had volunteer parents come for whole days, the district librarians were given subs one day and they came to help us finish up, a few teachers came on their planning times, some high school students came to help. We spent our entire time supervising and answering questions when we had about 10 people here helping--we were not able to do any barcoding ourselves with that number of people in the library. Hope this helps in some way. If you have any questions that we might be able to help with, feel free to e-mail back. Kris, It took a group of 10 senior citizen volunteers about one and a half days to complete the placement of barcodes (on the backs of the books) in my collection of about 11,000 items. Some were missed and we just caught them as they were checked out. Good luck! Kris, i am in the process of automating three libraries so here is my experience. every year i am moved to a different three libraries. last year, i was in a school that was already automated but when i took over, the computer had crashed. for some reason it took the repair guys three months to return the computer. by that time, it was after school was out for the summer. so i had to do an inventory without the necessary computer information. whoever automated had thrown away the shelf list thinking it wasn't needed anymore. wrong! be sure the you have decided where the bar code is going on the books. then the little strip that is left i place on the shelf list card. that way, should the computer crash near inventory time, i can atleast do an inventory. some librarians put the strip on the title page but i really don't know why. depending on the size of your collection and your library schedule of classes it could take just a week or several months. of course, even that would depend on the number of volunteers. feel free to email me directly if you have any questions. i would make sure that my shelf list was in excellent shape. bett Kris, Our PTO helped us automate our high school library It sounds as if you have the materials arealready typed in so your last step is barcoding. We placed two barcodes on each book--on the front for easy inventory scanning and in the back where the old signature card and pocket are. (We still stamp the due date in the book.) We placed a special tape-like barcode protector on the front barcode. We decided to NOT remove plastic covers in order to place the barcode under it. However any new books with covers get the barcode placed on before covering with plastic protector. You can do many books in an hour but it is still a long process. Perhapsyou can time yourself with one book then calculate that by the number ofvolumes. We placed only one barcode on the vertical file pieces, SIRS, and magazines. Barcodes are on the front of the mags and SIRS and on the back of the vertical file. If you have printed labels ready for everything, you can organize a volunteer work group and work really hard in order to be ready for automatic check out in the fall. Of course this depends on the number of volumes. We often had one or two people working in several areas of the media center--someone in fiction, someone in 100's etc. You'll need to decide the procedure for putting the labels on materials that are out when a certain section is being completed. You are almost there. Good luck. Virginia Meier vmeier@evansville.net Hi Kris Even though its over 5 years since we barcoded our 25,000 books (plus AV) I remember it took about 4 days, with 5 people. 2 of my staff and 2 students and I did it one holidays. I gave the students gift vouchers to a local bookstore, and fed them take-out BBQ chicken and coke! I was able to get extra funding for the 2 staff; me? I had to make do with the love of the job - as usual! We turned the radio up high and bopped along in our bare feet and jeans. Lots of fun! Hope this helps BTW we barcoded on the outside of the books and did not use a covering tape for them - I'm sure this meant that we were done quicker than otherwise. 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