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Dear LM_NETters, A hit was requested concerning your opinions about recessed monitors in circulation desks. Such an interesting, poles-apart, group of answers from you wonderful people. My original query: Do any of you have a circ desk with the monitor underneath at an angle and with plexiglass in the countertop to peer through? Obviously I don't know what this feature is called. My question is, if you have this, do you like it? ----- I helped a lady with hers and it was very uncomfortable viewing in my opinion. Drove me nuts. ----- I have not used such a setup as a circ desk, but I did a little work on one in an office at one school I used to serve. I did not like it...perhaps partly because I wear bifocals and having to look down was a big adjustment when I'm used to looking up. I do a lot of my circulation from a standing position, and find that having the monitor up where I can see it easily and the students can see it as well, is much easier for me. If you need to save space, get a "tower" style processor and place it somewhere under the desk, but in easy reach for putting in those backup disks or tapes... ----- this feature is usu. recommended as an ergonomic device to ease the strain of staring at a monitor all day. something about hte angle. I suppose it makes since if you're cramped for space. OUr monitor is always swiveling to face the students so they can read the screen if they're checking out on their own. ----- We are planning a new media center. I, too, have been wondering about this. One reason why I am leaning towards NOT doing this is when we have a student who has overdue materials, he/she invariably leans over the counter and looks at the screen. It seems to add credibility to the situation. ----- I've seen it at very fancy hotels. By putting the monitor underneath glass you free up the counter space. Hotels do it at the concierge desk so you "feel" like you're sitting across a desk and not a computer station. It's very understated and elegant. BUT.......... how would you "wand" the books? Wouldn't the monitor under glass get covered by books being circulated? You'd have to sit to use the computer (I frequently am standing to check in and out - but I guess the desk could be built for standing) ----- just in case you haven't spotted it, this style is in the Gaylord catalogue. Frankly, when I looked at it at NECC, I wasn't impressed. The glare of the lights was reflected and I had to look at it from a certain angle. Maybe they've solved that problem???? ----- I don't have this at work, but I've seen it at my health club. A hole is cut in the counter and the monitor is placed on a lower shelf at an angle. As one who wears glasses - bifocals - I can see the advantage of it. The only problem is what happens when you change monitors and the size/shape of the monitor is different? ----- I don't have this furniture on the circ desk, but do have it in the computer lab. The pluses are the room looks neater, less dust around cords, greater work surface available for students to work. Minuses -- glare from the ceiling lights requires a "hood" must be used, keyboard is not always in the most ergodynamic configuration. ----- I've never had a desk with the recessed monitor, but would love to. Cords, etc. should not then be a problem. The screen is out of sight of the patrons, so patron confidentiality is more secure. ----- I don't have it but the computer lab in my school does and I don't like it because the monitor is at the wrong distance for me to see with my bifocals and without them. I have to lean far forward in order to see the screen whenever I have to use one of the lab computers. ----- Yes I have such a desk and it is wonderful! The computer & monitor are securly under the counter so I don't have to worry about someone dropping a stack of books & knocking over the monitor. It provides privacy for students when we check to see who has what out. And last but not least, it is great for bifocal users. I spent hours (months, years) inputting MARC data when we automated & I don't think I could have done it without this marvelous desk. The desk I have was quite expensive, the administrative people ordered one and were going to have the wood working class make one for each teacher--however, our Eduquest machines wouldn't fit in the unit. Since I buy my own computers out of my budget (and therefore buy clones), it would work for me. It only works for computers that have a separate monitor (the Eduquest units have a combined monitor/CPU). I don't know if all the desks are like this or not. ----- Yes, I have a desk such as you described. I love it and will try to adapt our new computer monitor in it. We have just gone online with an OPAC system and will have get rid of our Follett Circ Plus system. The kids are fascinated by this computer also. It does free the desk for a working surface rather than trying to move the monitor or work around the monitor. We purchased the desk for the the K-Log catalog. They had various types of similar tables. ----- I don't have an answer for you but a comment...I recently had a checkout desk built and after debating for three years (it took that long to be approved in the budget:) ) I decided to basicly have an oversized desk built. One of the main reasons I choose to do it this way is that in the 8 or 10 years that I have been automated, I have had three different computers--each a different size and shape. If I had had the desk built three years ago for the computer I was using then, I would be very unhappy the way my present computer would have fit that design. Just some food for thought... ----- I have my monitor under my desk; there is a glass panel insert in the middle of my desk top. I've had this arrangement for about 4 years now and like it very much. I have poor vision; since I "read" with bottom part of my bifocals, I can see my monitor with little neck twisting. However, my workstation is NOT the circulation desk. The biggest drawback to this arrangement is that my desktop must be clear when I catalog, do searches, email, whatever. I can manage my workload so that happens. It might be more difficult to keep this area clear with circulation. I don't know where else we could put the 5, 10, 20, or more titles being checked out.... If all items were tiny books, videos, or audiocassettes, that wouldn't be so bad. But in this library, we often check out big, bulky items. Let me know if you would want more info. I know I truly love the way my monitor is set up. ----- I don't have a desk like this at work, but I did have one at home. What a neck-breaker! You constantly have to look down into the monitor by stretching your neck out. My chiropractor convinced me to quit "turkey-necking" and get rid of the desk. Now I have desk where the monitor sits down into the desk, but the screen is above desk level--the back of the monitor angles down into the desk-- and it is much easier on my neck (which has problems that don't need provocation to cause discomfort and pain). I recommend that you NOT have the monitor placed under the surface of the desk for ergonomic reasons. ----- We do here and I really like it. For just quickly checking out materials it is perfect. If you are adding data for long period os time, it is hard as your head is at an awkward angle. It is super to have the counter space to do other things. ----- If you can get it built in that would be great. I just got a new circ desk a year ago. Pretty standard. Went to a workshop at BOCES a few months ago and they had the screen built in like I think you are describing. Really liked it and wish I had known about it. ----- We have a very small school in our system that has only a part time media specialist. When she is not there, music and PE are held in the library media center. For that reason, she wanted her computer protected. As a result, she requested just such a unit for her circulation computer. I checked with her today on her feelings about the unit. She said she likes it very well. The screen is easier to see on this particular unit when seated. Can't remember exactly what you call such a unit either. ----- I'm going to try to see one in person!!! Joyce N. Church jochurch@norwich.net 7-12 Librarian ovcs@norwich.net Otselic Valley Central School http://www.norwich.net/~jochurch South Otselic, NY 13155 http://www.norwich.net/~ovcs