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i think that i read somewhere that "pushing the envelope" came out of the attempt to break the sound barrier; the envelope referred to the air surrounding the plane. the whole nine yards may refer to the amount of fabric used in making the traditional men's scottish kilt; again i think i came across that in something i read. perhaps duncan from the uk might know. ed Johanna Halbeisen Woodland ES wrote: > > I've been reading "the whole nine yards" and other such discussions and I > keep wondering, what is the origin of the recently-popular "pushing the > envelope"? > Johanna Halbeisen > Woodland Elementary School(K-4) > Southwick, Mass > jhalbei@k12.oit.umass.edu -- Edward W. Menke Librarian Berlin Junior/Senior High School Cherry Plain NY 12040 <emenke@global2000.net>