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On July 7, Peggy Gutha wrote: While automation is definitely the wave of the future, some of us still have paper card catalogs. So we do still need to teach people how to use them. You never know when you might move to "Smallville, U.S.A." and need to research "off-line". ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Yes, indeed. Not only that, but many large, noted research libraries still have their frozen card catalogs in their buildings and they often contain records for holdings which are not in the OPAC. When this discussion started, someone stated that "...these children are using libraries in which card catalogs and paper indexes are no longer existing..." (paraphrased) I found this statement a little disturbing as well. Academic, school, and public library reference rooms are full of paper indexes, many of which are not available online. Additionally, as a researcher/student/teacher who spends literally hours every day online utilizing the web and database vendors, I often find that the paper sources are faster and more efficient, especially if the information sought is not absoulutely current. It is also important to remember that most material more than a few years old is not indexed in electronic sources. It is not now time, and it will probably never be time, to abandon the paper tools in our libraries and depend on electronic sources exclusively. If we teach our students anything other than that electronic sources are only one tool to access information, and not always the best tool at that, we are doing them a disservice. Peter Rivard rivard@earthlink.net Teacher of theatre arts/UK grad student of library science For all the water in the ocean Can never turn the swan's black legs to white, Although she lave them hourly in the flood. Titus Andronicus Act IV, scene ii