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BEGIN HIT PART 3: ---------- I'm not there now, so I'm not sure how study hall drop-ins are being handled, but I 'll tell you what we did for about 3 years before I left. It works pretty well. We kept having students escape study hall to come to the library, and sometimes they came, sometimes they just left the building! Hence, I had much cooperation from the office for my plan. We had so many students who hate study hall leave to come to the library that we finally made a rule that *if* they need library materials (books, computers, etc.), they can come to the library. However, IF they were studying or just doing homework (mostly talking) that could be done in study hall (no need for library materials), we sent them back. I circulated around the library several times each period just to make sure. Also, if there was more talking going on than studying, I had a form that had that written. All I had to do was check the appropriate box, write the date and time and sign it and give it to the student as a pass back to study hall. The study hall teacher had to put a time on it, sign it, and put it in my box. That way we both were sure that the student got back to class in a timely manner. The document gave two places to check: (1.) The library is too crowded with scheduled classes to have room for drop-ins - Sorry! and (2.) The student is spending more time talking than getting his/her work done. Another device was to issue passes from the library. The office supported this, too. If a student wanted to use the library during study hall, he/she had to come to the library well BEFORE study hall (either the day before or the morning before) and get a pass from us saying that we grant permission for him/her to come. Then all the study hall teacher had to do was put a time and initials on it and let the student leave. When students asked us for a pass, we checked our calendar to see how many classes were scheduled to determine whether we could give the pass or not. If the chances of being overcrowded were "iffy", we would tell the student we would issue the pass, but we *might* have to send them back if the scheduled classes took up too much room. Most students are very cooperative if they aren't given the rules from a hostile librarian or aide. They understand when places are crowded. After I sent a few back for talking instead of working *consistently*, word got around that I would stick to my guns and they quit challenging the rules quite so much. I always sent the students back unobtrusively with the note. I never shouted across the room telling students they were talking too much and to get back to study halls. They respected my wishes because I showed respect to them. Good luck! It's a tiring thing to have to deal with! ---------- We have the same limit on study hall that we have from other classes -- maximum five students at a time unless teacher arranges with me in advance for a specific project. I pay for a Newspaper In Education subscription for study hall from my budget and the principal supplies our study hall with basic reference materials -- dictionaries, thesaurus, almanac, paperback student atlas. We also have five computers for wordprocessing in study hall. The first year we got a bit of flack, mainly from the study hall monitor who wanted to dump her problems on the media center and from a few problem students. Our teachers were very supportive and class use shot way up. Our principal's attitude is that the school pays for a study hall monitor, so why should media center staff deal with floating students? We're usually crowded with students who have work to do. ---------- My school is a lot smaller than yours and I definitely limit how many students can come in from Study Hall. We allow only 5 from each study hall. Usually we have about 15 students in here in an hour which is plenty. If allowed the teachers would have 10 kids in here but then they wouldn't have anyone left in their study halls. I have had some flack at times but I really can't handle tons of students in here at the same time. Why should my library have more kids in then their study hall? If some of the students really need to get in here to use a computer and the pass is full the study hall teacher can call me and ask if I have additional room. The only hours I turn extra students away is when another teacher has reserved the use of the computers or if it is the last hour of the day (20 plus kids just waiting for the last bell to ring is enough to drive anyone crazy!) I have support from administration because they see how crazy it gets in here! ---------- > Do you limit the number of students who come to your library as an > alternative to staying in their study halls? Yes, a limit of 5 per classroom, all cut off when full. > If so, has this policy of limitation had any negative impact on library > PR with students, teachers, or administrators in your school? Generally not. The seating area is limited, and it is obvious that there is no more room. Administrators sometimes fuss, but I insist that they come down and count the empty seats themselves...they do, and find none, and that ends the matter. > Has it been well worth it for you to limit, regardless of any flack you > may have received at one time or another? Yes. It is a bit hard to visualize, but seating is limited and very spread out. When I am working with a class, I cannot supervise walk-ins too. When my clerk is at lunch I am it. (I don't get a lunch.) I can't be everywhere. When people fuss, I ask two questions: 1) Did you get a prep period today? 2) Did/do you get lunch today? That usually stops them dead in their tracks! > I work in the library of a suburban high school of 2,400 students. 2,700 here. Me and a FT clerk. ---------- The study hall "teacher" here is great when it comes to deciding which students come to the library. They are not allowed to come to "mess around" and she's pretty perceptive. I love to have students in here, but I do insist they at least look busy - reading a book or magazine is fine. They may come from study hall to check out magazines for that period or to check out books - study hall is connected by a door to the library. When a teacher allows a student out of his class, the student has to bring a hall pass, and he usually has a good reason. My school is much smaller than yours, so I'm sure there are many differences - we have under 500 students in a high school... ---------- END HIT PART 3 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-= All postings to LM_NET are protected under copyright law. To quit LM_NET (or set-reset NOMAIL or DIGEST), send email to: listserv@listserv.syr.edu In the message write EITHER: 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL or 3) SET LM_NET DIGEST 3) SET LM_NET MAIL * Please allow for confirmation from Listserv For LM_NET Help & Archives see: http://ericir.syr.edu/lm_net/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=