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Okay, I can't stay out of this discussion, either. It's a very interesting thread, but I believe that a couple of points have been missed so far. 1) Many of us work in private schools, and thus the comments about what the "unions" should do are completely irrelevant to us. No unions at all here; none. 2) For many schools, the choice is NOT between a MLS, certified, librarian and one who does not have this certification. Rather, the choice is between a librarian without this certification, and no librarian at all. When I started as librarian here 19 years ago, I took over a library that was completely unstaffed. The previous librarian had died years before, and no one had replaced her. A few parent volunteers had done some work, but the library was in a state you wouldn't believe. (Just as one example, the person doing the "cataloguing" was under the impression that all non-fiction belonged in 92. You should have SEEN the Biography section! But I digress. . . .) Believe me, there are no certified librarians breaking down our door wanting to be hired for my part-time, K-8 position at what our school can pay. And the school truly CANNOT pay more. We are a small, poor-but-proud Catholic school in an economically disadvantaged area of northwest Washington state. 3) Not having an MLS does not mean "untrained". I have a bachelor's degree, but no formal education beyond that. I have, however, worked in various public, university, and federal government libraries since the age of 14, and have avidly studied and read and learned in the field. I consider myself to have learned library science by apprenticeship (an ancient and honorable tradition), and I continue to attend seminars, classes, and meetings with my fellow librarians whenever possible. Frankly, belonging to LM_NET is to me part of this ongoing learning process. 4) Not having a library degree does not equate with lack of interest in the field, or with an intellectual incapacity to obtain such a degree. Rather, the availability of such education varies greatly from location to location. I have often thought of getting my MLS, but logistics simply rule it out. The only place in the state where such a degree can be obtained is the University of Washington, in Seattle. Travel there requires at least a 2 1/2 hour drive each way -- longer if the Hood Canal bridge is open, or if you miss a ferry across Puget Sound. Not exactly "commuting" distance. And since my job does not require it, and I have family and job obligations here in Port Angeles, it's just not worth it. 5) In the course of my travels to various school libraries, I have come to find that the quality of the library program is not necessarily related to the librarian's educational qualifications. There have been many times where one might assume by watching the librarian in action that he or she surely had all sorts of certifications and degrees. Such imagination and skill and ideas! So good at working with the children! Such a well-organized and well-stocked library! Then there have been other times when one might assume the opposite, while watching a rigid, going-through-the-motions librarian who seems to view it as just a job, not a vocation. However, I've found that it is impossible to tell by watching just who has what degree and/or certification. Good librarians (as well as bad ones) come in all backgrounds, I believe. Karen Mitchell, Librarian Queen of Angels School Port Angeles WA 98362 kg7u@olympus.net =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-= All postings to LM_NET are protected under copyright law. To quit LM_NET (or set-reset NOMAIL or DIGEST), send email to: listserv@listserv.syr.edu In the message write EITHER: 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL or 3) SET LM_NET DIGEST 4) SET LM_NET MAIL * Please allow for confirmation from Listserv. For LM_NET Help see: http://ericir.syr.edu/lm_net/ Archives: http://askeric.org/Virtual/Listserv_Archives/LM_NET.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=