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From: Mary... It has been a long time, but we went to one that locals go to, vs the tourists--I think the name was Sams, it was downtown, reasonable (for SF) and good...Another day we ate at Seal Rock restaurant. Seal Rock Inn was a good hotel in the past..don't know about now. *************** From: Peggy Susan, I'm so jealous- I grew up in the bay area, so your request for info. brought back a flood of memories. In high school we used to go over on a Friday night and check out the hotels that used to be rich people's mansions. My family used to go to an Armenian restaurant where they served rose petal jam and communion bread as an appetizer .If you love the out of doors, the Redwood forest just 40 minutes up the road is a must. Walking the Golden Gate is incredible. Macy's is a great place to shop. Fisherman's Wharf and Ghirardelli (not sp. right) Square, Japanese Cultural Center, riding a trolley-- I could go on and on!Have fun and eat some Fisherman's Wharf bread. The Armenian rest. is called Omar Kayan's I think.. **************** From: glassmaid ************* From: Janjulau I, too, am going for a visit to San Francisco. I would like to hear the response that you get . As for me, I am planning to visit Frace cathedral atop Nob Hill. There are two labyrinths there, one indoor and one outdoor. I hope to walk one of those. Pier 39 is a neat area to visit, too. We enjoyed it when we were out last year. And we liked Ghiradelli Square. We had a limited amount of time, same way this year. ************* From: Kevin/Jeri Here's a list of favorite restaurants from a S.F. resident: Lulu - French Provincial/Californian. Hip, loud, fun, great grilled meats, wine list. Fringale - French/Californian. Good food and deserts. Hamano Sushi - Japanese, best in town. Fire Fly - International. Excellent! I highly recommend this one! Get a reservation. Zuppenkuche - Excellent German food and fun atmosphere. Slanted Door - Vietnamese/Californian. A favorite with the likes of Don Johnson, Julia Roberts. GREAT food. You go for quality, not quantity. But GO! It is a good idea to make reservations. Great wine list. The Gold Spike - Best Italian family-style dinners. Must see in the city? The new Metreon Entertainment Centre, 4th and Mission Streets. The Castro Theatre, a great old movie palace which shows old films and new artsy films. At Castro and Market Streets. Take underground Muni. Palace of the Legion of Honor. Great places to walk with views of Bay and Golden gate. Nice museum, too. Take a Ferry to Angel Island for a picnic. Rent a car and drive to Napa Valley Wine country. For Fringe Theatre, check out The EXIT Theatre, 156 Eddy Street. For Mainstream Theatre, check out Golden Gate Theatre, Orpheum, Magic Theatre, or ACT. Shopping, Union Square. Hip and alternative shopping, Hayes Valley between Gough and Laguna. Sixties and retro shopping, Haight Street around Haight & Ashbury. North Beach, sun and Italian food. Go to The Gold Spike at Columbus and Green for best Italian family style dinner! - *********************** From: Kathy Subject: San Francisco, The key factor for enjoying your trip is figuring out what most interests you and your travel companions. If you are traveling with children The Exploratorium is a must. Poetry lovers should make a pilgrimage to the City Lights Bookstore in North Beach. Art lovers should go to the Museum of Modern Art. Everyone should walk and enjoy the wonderful architecture of (The City) as locals call it. Fisherman's Wharf used to be a must see - and a must in terms of dining. Lately it has become a terrible tourist trap so try to go midweek or at least not at peak hours. Ghiradelli Square and the Cannery combine historical interest and shopping. The Harbor tour or the Alcatraz outing give you great vistas of the city. My personal favorite in terms of restaurants is the Stinking Rose a wonderful Italian restaurant on North Beach devoted to garlic. Again figure out what kind of cuisine interests you. If you are an avid seafood eater SF is a great place but try to work in some other things you won't get in your hometown. Have a wonderful vacation and don't forget to bring a jacket. It can get quite chilly when the fog rolls in. *************** From Doug: Favorites of mine are GREENS at Fort Mason a great vegetarian restaurant and the Pacific Cafe on Geary St. The Pacific Cafe is a very good Seafood place that is near the Palace of Legion of Honor. A fine art museum in a terrific setting ******************** From: Gayle Susan, plan on walking a lot. It's much easier to get around if you do, and you'll see more. Parking is the pits. We usually stay at the Lombard Motor Inn, which is not fancy, but not seedy, either, and you're never in the room that much anyway. It's only a few blocks from Pier 39. Walking on the pier is the usual touristy stuff, and the restaurants, ditto. Most of the seafood places serve a decent meal, but often there's more atmosphere than quality. One good way to go (if your hotel is near enough) is to walk to the head of the Cable Car tracks (close to the pier) early in the morning. (Have coffee on the way - you should be able to find a billion little spots for coffee and a snack.) Buy a day pass. Stand in line (seemingly forever, unless you get there EARLY) and take the cable car downtown. Walk all over downtown enjoying the shops and the atmosphere of the city. It's not a bad walk to downtown from Chinatown, if you want to get off the cable car there, instead. Chinatown is also very touristy. You rarely find anything in the shops that you couldn't get at most five and dime or tourist gift shops, but it's fun. San Francisco has a real profusion of ethnic foods, so be sure to try some Thai or Indian or other exotic food, along with the really great Italian. If you're up for a great burger, Mel's Diner is a great place to go, and the servings are HUGE. ********************** From Terry: I'd love the collection of tips about San Francisco. I've been away and didn't see your original post, but I try to get to SF every summer and my favorite (free!!) activity is the annual walk across the Golden Gate Bridge. The beautiful natural vistas of the Marin Headlands outbound, the beautiful urban vistas of SF on the way back. And if you like to walk, get a copy of "Stairway walks in SF" by Adah Bakalinsky (Wilderness Press, 1995) for an entree to the marvellous system of stairways around The City. Susan Burstein, Portland Middle School Library Portland, CT 06480 portland@connix.com OR burstein@connix.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-= All postings to LM_NET are protected under copyright law. 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