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Another long response: Funny this question should arise. I have used Mitinet/MARC as the Marc record creation software of choice. Information Transform, 1-800-854-6272 or 1-800-824-6272 (one is tech support and I don't remember which) will be able to sell you a copy. The program creates full MARC records which can then be imported into your own software. It also can be used to edit MARC records received for a vendor so that spelling and content can be checked before one has to spend endless hours on authority control. Tell Hank Epstein, Mary Veronica Amison told you about this. He'll be highly amused. We go back a long way. As far as copy cataloging without CIP goes, I've learned to rely on the Library of Congress site. Search their library and the libraries listed on their site, and you will be able to print out full MARC records. Using Mitinet/MARC, I've been able to teach volunteers how to type in the information. Simple. Mitinet/MARC makes the whole thing a breeze.(read typhoon - we're not talking short cuts, you are looking at a lengthy process). Your other alternative may be to photcopy title and versus pages and add pagination info and send the info off to OCLC or some other vendor and pray (also wait). Or, buy a subscription to Brodart's Precision One or go to the old volumes of the Book Review Digest and copy out the entries therein. You want to know costs? Well, those change rapidly, but my take on the subject is it's going to cost - either in your time or that of your helpers - or your money, or both. Hope all of this is helpful. Peg Klinkhammer, Librarian Assumption High School 445 Chestnut Street Wisconsin Rapids, WI 54494 715 423-2920 715 423-2527 (FAX) ahslib@wctc.net =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-= All postings to LM_NET are protected under copyright law. To quit LM_NET (or set-reset NOMAIL or DIGEST), send email to: listserv@listserv.syr.edu In the message write EITHER: 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL or 3) SET LM_NET DIGEST 3) SET LM_NET MAIL * Please allow for confirmation from Listserv For LM_NET Help & Archives see: http://ericir.syr.edu/lm_net/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=