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Sorry for the delay in compiling and posting this HIT! My thanks to the 22 wonderful persons who replied and helped me so much. I am wishing everyone a WONDERFUL Holiday Season! Here is what I received. Jim Neal Media Specialist Park Hill High School Kansas City, MO 64153 Trustee, Mid-Continent Public Library Webmaster, LM_NET on the Web We do not have a security system at our NKCHS. We think we are probably losing approximately 100-150 books per year. The other two secondary schools in our district do have security systems. Plans have been discussed for us to have a security system in combination with the ... Library when we combine and move to our new facility. We do not have a security system and have lost, on average, over the past 5 years nearly 100 books per year! We have 1000 students. Do the math...I have and still cannot convince our board to buy that "extravagance". We have Check Point which was installed several months in to last school year. We had lost about 700 books each school year for many years. Last year, even though it wasn't working all of the time, we lost around 200 books. We have had to call the service department many times, but the repairman says our unit has been exceptionally touchy. We don't have a system and we lose about $2000 worth of books per year. My schools last inventory was done in 1998. I currently have finished a more recent inventory and discovered that we have lost about 1200 books since then. Unfortunately, we are still trying to figure out how to hook up our old 3M security system. I can only tell you that in the early 80's when we installed one in Ohio our loses went from around 500 per year to 15. We have the 3M system in our high school of 1300 +. I'd hate to see the magnitude of loss if we didn't have one. I know it reduces theft. Ours has the gates that lock if someone has an item that is not de-sensitized. The librarian of a neighboring school who got the 3M system said she had to be very insistent to get one with gates. The company really discouraged her from getting gates. I believe it had to do with handicapped access. Good luck. I can only tell you that in the early 80's when we installed one in Ohio our loses went from around 500 per year to 15. > * What is the magnitude of losses at schools that do not have security systems? We lost almost 1200 items in the five years since the last comprehensive inventory was done. Most items were non-fiction and reference. That hurts! > * Do security systems reduce theft losses? YES! YES! YES!. We put our 3M security system in this past summer. Since August 21, we have stopped a known 55 items from leaving the room. (Only about 2% of the collection is yet tagged.) I'd say this IS effective. > * If you have a security system and you think it is cost effective? Do the math. 1200 items times the average cost of a non-fiction reference book ($50??) = $60,000 worth of lost items. While this is obviously a simple example, the impact of seeing a $60,000 (!) loss is impressive. How much loss is your principal willing to tolerate? Some kids initially complained that I didn't trust them. I responded with a very straight forward... "You're right, I *don't* trust 2% of the students. I don't trust the 2% that are stealing the materials that 98% of us need. Most of "us" are just good people that want to get our work done. But the 2% (and you know who these jerks are, don't you?) are preventing YOU from finding the books and videos you need. The gates will stop most of these scummy sneak thieves that are preventing you from finishing your assignments." ...Strong sentiments, but the students totally agreed with the feeling of frustration. > what system(s) do you recommend? I've been pleased with the 3M tattle tale system so far. Service response has been excellent. We had only one service call, and it was answered within 12 hours. The problem was my fault for putting a three-ring binder too close to the gate. When someone went through the gate, the EMF pulse read the rings on the binder and set off the system. Move the binder and no problems. (Gee, Mr. O, it really helps if you TOTALLY read the operations manual. See? Right here on page 23, 27, etc...) Duh! ;-> Our system (3M) was put in before I came on board, but my understanding is that the rate of loss due to theft dropped from around 200 books a year to around 25 a year. (This is a school of 2200 students.) We now lose more to kids switching schools or dropping out than to theft. It was certainly well worth it for us. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-= All postings to LM_NET are protected under copyright law. 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