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Thanks to all who responded. Do you ever get tired of hearing "You are the best"? I hope not, because you are the best! Original message: Several librarians in my district would like to know your opinions on a two-week check out period versus a three-week check out period for books at the junior high and senior high level. Replies: Our district policy is K-2 one week, grade 2-12 two weeks with renewals if necessary. This seems to work, too long of a check out period allows more time for a book to be misplaced and forgotten. Also renewals are only made with the book in hand at renewal time. We sign nonfiction out for 2 weeks and fiction for 3. Magazines and information files go out for a week and videos overnight. We are a secondary school (grades 9-12). I am in a K-8 school and we are on a modified flex schedule. Our 6th-8th graders are actually scheduled once a month (to make sure I actually see them during the year) but, of course, do come at other times. However, with the way they are scheduled for other classes as well as our schedule some months that IS the only time they can get to the library easily (they're actually in another building on the other side of a large parking lot) so last year I switched them to a four week checkout and it has not been a problem at all. It sure cut down on overdues for them. It's not the ideal situation but it's my reality. I inherited a three week checkout at my current jhs. After a year I reduced it to two. I found my JHS students were too "scattered" to keep track of their books for three weeks. I have had far fewer overdues and lost books since I reverted to two weeks several years ago. I let them renew as many times as needed as long as there is not a waiting list. Senior high may be more responsible - our hs uses three weeks and seems to handle it well. I switched from two weeks to three weeks several years ago to cut down on paperwork. We are in year three of AR, and kids must actually read books. On the two week cycle (and prior to AR), I think many kids would check books out, read part of them, turn them in when they returned to the library, check some more out, and repeat the cycle. Yesterday, I was tracking down the "severely" overdue books, those due before November 12th. One student I talked to was actually reading the offending book, about a 130 pager, and was half way through it. My recomendation, would be to extend the checkout period, allowing you to cut down on paperwork, encourage teachers to encourage their students to renew their overdue book, which can allow you to concentrate on the flagrant issues. We have set up a written schedule for printing overdue notices, approximately once every three weeks. (Printing them every week, again, generated a lot of paper with no improvement in results.) Because we have a written schedule, we track when a student has received two overdues. At this point the principal has been extremely supportive in encouraging us to assign lunch detentions to these offenders. This, and not allowing kids with "overdue books" to go to the school dance (I go back three weeks on the cutoff, but am questioning this) have been the most effective procedures for significantly reducing the overdue list. As you all know, the longer a book is overdue, the higher the chances it will become lost because of a student withdrawal. I'm also finding out that most of these overdues are just sitting in lockers and not even being read. When I was not automated I used a three week system to save me time and reduce the number of overdues I had to figure. With an automated system 2 weeks works fine, because it help remind the students to check on what they've done with the book. Most of them finish a book in that time anyway and I give them unlimited renewals. We've always checked out for 2 wks & no one's ever objected. We renew books for those wishing longer checkouts. We've always used a 2 week checkout period. We begin at 2 weeks, but then make all sorts of accommodations depending on due dates for class assignments, etc. With the computerized check out system, it is so easy to make adjustments for special cases. I have switched from a two-week check out to a four-week check out for our high school students this year. There appears to be an increase in circ in the fiction area and less overdues. My end of the year statistics will give a clearer picture. This is my second year at the high school and I made the change because I felt the two-week period was not sufficient with all of the activities and work committments of the students. We use a 2 week check out period and it works fine. Books may be renewed, of course. My philosophy: give them 2 weeks, they'll take 2 weeks; give them 3, they'll take 3. I have done both. From my observation nether has an advantage for lessoning overdues. I had overdues under both periods and I think about the same amount. I also tried one date due a week.(that was when I was still manual cir. that did not help alot ether. People ether get books back on time or not(and I am a or not person myself) I consider it public library support I use a 4-week check-out period in my Middle-High School Library Media Center. For book report items that are due at the end of the quarter, the check-out period is 9-10 weeks (however long the quarter lasts). That saves on tons of overdue notices. I came from a high school with a two week checkout, and a standard policy of one renewal, with exceptions made as appropriate. That policy worked very well - most kids tended to keep the books for however long they could, and used them at the last minute anyway. I am now in a Middle/High School, and there was a 4 week checkout when I got here. I've cut it back to three weeks, and would like to cut it to two, but am not sure how that will work with the middlers. For now, I'm just feeling my way along. I had thought I might do a three week, but the public library in our town does two, so I decided to keep it the same to make it easier for the kids to remember. We presently have a 2-week checkout , but I am seriously considering a 3 or 4-week time in hopes that it would help avoid overdue. We switched this year from a three- to a two-week checkout period. I think that it is much better. I tell the students that they can always renew the book if they need it longer. With three weeks, they were always forgetting to return the books even though they were already done with them. The books just sat in their lockers and they'd check out more books since the first ones weren't overdue. That is part of our policy: students may not check out additional books if there are overdue ones. So more books circulate now and there are less overdues. I am in a junior high 7,8, 9. We do a two week checkout and it works out just fine. If a student needs to renew there is no problem. I think three weeks would be too long. In two weeks they forget where they have left it, more chance of lost with each additional week. Several years ago I changed from a two week period with 5 cents/day overdues to a 3 week period and 10 cents/day overdues Works for us. Some students are good about renewing their books, others would rather just deal with the fine. I appreciate the fine money & the students appreciate the books I buy with the fine money (put in a sticker 'paid for with fine $'). I'm at a 6-8 middle school. My students can't keep up with a book for 7 days much less three weeks, though it takes them that long to finish a book sometimes! I check out for one week with unlimited renewals as long as the book is not reserved for someone else. I require the student to bring the book in for renewal to be certain he's not lost it. This works for us since all students have a scheduled library period every week. 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