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Hmmmm ... I am puzzled by your assertion regarding "look say" and the Dick and Jane readers. I recall using the Dick and Jane readers when I was in elementary school (what, first grade? 1953 or thereabouts), but we definitely also learned at least basic phonics -- the two worked together hand-in-glove. Although Dick and Jane and their dog what's-his-name may not have been cutting edge literature, I have never felt that they deprived me of a sound foundation in reading. I recall the class reading in unison and reciting individually. That was fun and effective. And I am eternally grateful for the grounding in phonics, an advantage that my own kids largely missed (as indeed they missed out on the eminently sensible and effective use of drill and rote memorization to master the basic arithmetic facts -- the result of which was lasting and irreparable damage to their progress in mathematics). (This is a comment to Joni Rathbun, but may be of interest to the list so I am cc-ing LM_NET) Regards, Ken -- Kenneth W. Umbach, Ph.D., Policy Analyst, California Research Bureau, California State Library, 900 N Street, Suite 300, Sacramento, CA 95814 E-mail: kumbach@unlimited.net (or kumbach@library.ca.gov) Phone: (voice) 916-653-6002 (fax) 916-654-5829 Home page and selected papers: http://home.inreach.com/kumbach This message reflects my opinion, not that of my employer or anyone else. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-= All postings to LM_NET are protected under copyright law. To quit LM_NET (or set-reset NOMAIL or DIGEST), send email to: listserv@listserv.syr.edu In the message write EITHER: 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL or 3) SET LM_NET DIGEST 4) SET LM_NET MAIL * Please allow for confirmation from Listserv. For LM_NET Help see: http://ericir.syr.edu/lm_net/ Archives: http://askeric.org/Virtual/Listserv_Archives/LM_NET.html See also EL-Announce for announcements from library media vendors: http://www.mindspring.com/~el-announce/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=