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On Tue, 1 May 2001, Ken Umbach wrote: > Hmmmm ... I am puzzled by your assertion regarding "look say" and the Dick > and Jane readers. I recall using the Dick and Jane readers when I was in > elementary school (what, first grade? 1953 or thereabouts), but we > definitely also learned at least basic phonics -- the two worked together > hand-in-glove. Although Dick and Jane and their dog what's-his-name may My assertion is simply that the Dick and Jane series was a look-say reading program. That your teacher (and mine) also incorporated phonics doesn't change this fact. Nor does it make look-say synonymous with whole language. I'm not sure what is puzzling about that. > not have been cutting edge literature, I have never felt that they deprived > me of a sound foundation in reading. I'm not the one *asserting* that the look-say method is the same as whole language and responsible for poor literacy rates in the U.S. Indeed, Oregon did a literacy survey a few years back and my generation, a look-say generation, demonstrated the highest rate of literacy among all generations (thru the 80s). > I recall the class reading in unison > and reciting individually. That was fun and effective. And I am eternally > grateful for the grounding in phonics, an advantage that my own kids > largely missed For that grounding in phonics you have your teacher to thank, not Dick and Jane. > (This is a comment to Joni Rathbun, but may be of interest to the list so I > am cc-ing LM_NET) > > Regards, > > Ken > > -- > Kenneth W. Umbach, Ph.D., Policy Analyst, California Research Bureau, > California State Library, 900 N Street, Suite 300, Sacramento, CA 95814 > E-mail: kumbach@unlimited.net (or kumbach@library.ca.gov) > Phone: (voice) 916-653-6002 (fax) 916-654-5829 > Home page and selected papers: http://home.inreach.com/kumbach > This message reflects my opinion, not that of my employer or anyone else. > ========================================================================== "Obscenity and hate speech alike only become free speech issues when their foes turn from censure to censorship. When we decided to let a thousand flowers bloom, we always knew that some of them would be weeds." -- Henry Louis Gates Jr., educator, c. 1990 ========================================================================= J. Rathbun, Library Teacher Lincoln E.S., North Las Vegas Email: jrathbun@orednet.org =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-= All postings to LM_NET are protected under copyright law. To quit LM_NET (or set-reset NOMAIL or DIGEST), send email to: listserv@listserv.syr.edu In the message write EITHER: 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL or 3) SET LM_NET DIGEST 4) SET LM_NET MAIL * Please allow for confirmation from Listserv. For LM_NET Help see: http://ericir.syr.edu/lm_net/ Archives: http://askeric.org/Virtual/Listserv_Archives/LM_NET.html See also EL-Announce for announcements from library media vendors: http://www.mindspring.com/~el-announce/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=