We had a coin op that was old and worked crummy and
company that owned
it
had horrible service. We found a local business
supplier who placed a
very
simple machine in here. We charge the same as we did
for coin op...
$.10/copy... but now we have to collect the money,
make change, etc.
It's
OK. At least the machine works reliably. It belongs to
the company who
placed it and once a month they call for the counter
number. We send
them
exactly what we collect. It doesn't make us any money
but it doesn't
cost us
any either.
Do you have a coin op copier for student use in your
HS library? Yes
Lease or Own? Own
Who paid for lease or purchase? I did by eliminating
some periodicals,
a
subscription to a research tool that we can receive
free through our
public
library connections and revenue from the copier.
Rational for coin op copier.... I lost over $600 and
was criticized for
using so much paper the first two years I was here.
Since I leave at 4
and
the Media Center is open to 5, we would be losing a
lot if we didn't
have a
coin op on the copier.
There is resistance to charge ("kids are cheap" to
"put jar out and hope for best") The public library
charges - so do
copy
companies, if they have money for junk food, they can
pay for the
copies
they want.
Other questions include: why is it needed in HS
library? Students copy - notes, class notes, crossword
puzzles, forms,
papers, research materials
Why not get more free copiers for teachers in school?
All teachers can
leave
copy needs in the office to be done within a two-day
period for free.
The
problem would be in making sure it is always working:
keeping paper in
it,
freeing jams, etc. No teacher wants that and I have
enough to do and
the
office staff don't want to go to another room to do
that either.
Yes
Lease or Own?
Own
Who paid for lease or purchase?
Library paid for out of equipment budget
Rational for coin op copier....
The library staff was spending a lot of time copying
articles for
students.
We thought that was a good use of time AND didn't make
kids responsible
for
their own copies.
There is resistance to charge ("kids are cheap" to
"put jar out and hope for best")
Mine is set at 10 cents; a jar would not do it. I do
NOT loan kids
money for
the copy machine (OR teachers). Nor do I "override"
and let some
people use
it without paying. Even I pay if I don't want to walk
to the teachers'
workroom to make a copy.
We recently purchased a new coin-op copier for the LMC
at our high
school. The district paid for it. It is very nice and
has the
capability
of being programed in many different ways. We are
charging 10 cents a
copy. The students are loving it and using it
frequently. They would
rather copy something from a reference source and take
it home to work
on
than spend time in the LMC working on it or taking
notes. I have also
noticed they are using it to copy other student's
notes and even
teacher
notes when they are absent. I furnished the original
change to fill the
coin-op from library funds and the money collected
will go back into
our
local library fund. I am hoping that we make enough
to recover the
cost of
toner for the machine. The coin-op has a key override
so that I (or
any
other teachers) can use it at no cost if needed. It
also allows me the
discretion to copy for a student without charge under
some
circumstances. Hope this information helps.
In my old school, we had a very basic, slow copier
that the students had access to - we installed a coin
op, and it both cut down on the student copying (much
of which is to copy a very small article out of some
book) and insured that all paid what they owed. It
also prevented us from playing copier police. We
bought toner and service from the money we collected.
The charge was ten cents per page.
In my new school, we have a super-dooper, does
everything but vacuum copier for the teachers here,
and the students also have access. The policy when I
got here was that students could copy free things for
school use, but had to pay for personal copies. I see
a horrendous use of paper to make copies, but have no
say in the matter. I'd just as soon have the teacher
access copier in the teacher's room, and a student
access one here with a coin op machine.
Do you have a coin op copier for student use in your
>HS library?
yes
>
>Lease or Own?
neither - the business that owns it just puts it here
for us
>
>Who paid for lease or purchase?
>Rational for coin op copier....
we don't copy everything for free, and the kids should
be able to copy
things like note for their notebooks, conveniently
>
>There is resistance to charge ("kids are cheap" to
>"put jar out and hope for best")
too bad - not everything in life is free. They pay
for the convenience
>
>Other questions include: why is it needed in HS
>library?
Our kids copy notes they may have missed when absent
from class, or
handouts they need for a presentation. Its is a
service offering
convenience. If they plan ahead, they can get copies
cheaper at to
copy
stores - but what teenager plans ahead???!!!
>Do you have a coin op copier for student use in your
>HS library? YES
>Lease or Own? OWN
>Who paid for lease or purchase? SCHOOL - we recently
purchased a new
large one for the office -- and as a bonus our
Financial Manager
convinced them to throw in for free an smaller one for
the library
>Rational for coin op copier.... they need to pay for
copies in public
library and college -- easier than going to Kinkos. It
does cut down on
theft of materials. I also will give free copies to
students in need or
those who don't have cash with them-- I give them an
IOU and use my
pass key. I also will make free copies of articles in
large heavy
reference books - easier to give free copy than risk
losing the book. I allow
all reference books to circulate overnight. The money
also provides the
library with some xtra spending money for new
paperbacks, toner,
supplies, etc.
>There is resistance to charge ("kids are cheap" to
>"put jar out and hope for best") Kids have never
complained about
paying- it is 15 cents per copy.
>Other questions include: why is it needed in HS
>library? used a lot -- teachers require copies of
articles, ads, etc.
for papers or assignments. It is also good for
students who have lost
the assignment and need a copy. It is an essential
part of the student's
research.
>Why not get more free copiers for teachers in school?
The who makes
the copies? the teacher? that would be an impossible
task. Students need
to take responsibility for what they need. As my
students pay $5,000 a
year for tuition, one would think there would be
complaints about a
cost- but I haven't received one complaint yet.
We have two coin-op copiers in the library and both
are used constantly
(we
are a school of 2900 students grades 10-12). One we
are purchasing
over a
five-year period from Canon. The cost per month is
$237 and this
includes
the monthly payment as well as service and all
supplies except paper.
The
charge of 10 cents per copy more than pays this
monthly fee even
including
the summer months when the machine gets no use. The
other copier is
free
except for the cost of paper. We have a local copy
machine company
that
agreed to place it in the library at no charge to us.
They collect all
money
from the machine and provide toner and service. I'd
do that for both
machines except that we make a little profit on the
one we are buying
and we
use that to buy books.
As for rationale: (1) Kids hate to carry heavy
reference books, and
they
don't like checking out overnight books because they
are afraid they
will
forget to return them and have to pay the fines...so
they photocopy the
pages
they need. (2) Some teachers request that we not let
sepcific books
they
have placed on reserve go out at all, so the kids have
to photocopy if
they
can't stay in the library to use them. (3) We
recommend photocopying
and
highlighting sections of the copy as a study skill.
Many of our
teachers are
moving away from the note card route and suggesting
photocopying
instead. (4)
All of the above are getting kids ready for college
where they often
must
photocopy and/or can use the study technique I've just
mentioned. (5)
We feel
that with the photocopiers in the library, there are
fewer pages torn
out of
books. (6) Kids use the copy machines to enlarge and
reduce images for
projects.
I have a Tosiba copier in the libray office. We
absolutely need a
copier
for copying articles from reference books, print
reports and to make an
extra copy forhighlighting. Students will not use the
reference books
to
take notes if they cannot get a copy.
I pay a rental of $1200 for the copier and my staff
and I make many
copies for tech/library skills sheets, budgeting,etc.
I could not
afford
a coin op, so I think this works ok. We don't copy a
great deal because
students take a lot off the Internet. Hope this helps.
Our teachers have a large copier that makes over a
million copies a
year
and there is a staff person to run it.
We just got a coin-op in my high school library this
year and it's been a godsend. Granted,
we had to rein in a situation which had gotten out of
control: library staff before I got there
was doing unlimited copies for students at no cost.
When I began, I found that many
days my aide and I spent most of our time simply
photocopying for students - not a
cost-effective way to use trained professionals, nor
was it how I wanted to spend my time
there.
I polled 12 area (Milwaukee) LMSs and all, without
exception, had .10 cent coin-ops in their
high school libraries. Our copier is from a company
in Milwaukee that works mainly in
university settings, I believe. They provide the
copier free and do all maintenance free,
except for extreme cases such as abuse. They in turn
get most of the proceeds (we're
supposed to get a small percentage per copy). We're
not after a profit; we simply want to
provide the service to our students, stop the wasteful
copying being done by them, and
relieve ourselves of what had become an absurd
situation. It's worked wonderfully. Mostly,
I'm happy about how it's made students become more
discerning about what they truly
need. They're reading sources more carefully rather
than simply requesting 20-30 page
chunks from such sources as CQ Research and Taking
Sides.
In my previous school, the library budget had to
manage all expenses of the coin-op copier.
Money generated from daily copies at .10 cents/copy
easily covered maintenance and
supplies. If you don't have the money to cover the
copier, I'd ask the principal to help you
out with the initial purchase and pay it back as money
is generated. It may take two years
for the gradual payback, but it seems an arrangement
that's palatable to both sides.
We had a copier for years that was serviced by the
company, which got
all
the proceeds. We did nothing except add paper as
needed & call for
service.
Then a couple of years ago the principal bought a
color copier for us.
We
take care of it but get to keep the proceeds. The
charge for b& w
copies is
$.15, same as before; color copies are $.75. Teachers
can use it free
for
color. There is another teacher copier in addition to
the copy room so
teachers rarely ask to use this one unless they need
color copies.
Although
we pay for the service contract, toner, special paper,
etc., we still
make
money, which I try to use for things that benefit the
students since
they're
supporting it. Some of the athletic teams have started
making little
"photo
yearbooks" so I let them print free if they bring the
paper. Since we
have
the key and so far do not have to account for each
copy, we have some
discretion for its use.
Our students use it constantly, although they also
print out everything
they
can (free, so far) and try things like scanning &
printing to save the
.15.
I had a copier in the library that had a coin op
addition to it. We
originally got a reconditioned copier with some
'special' tech money.
This
was quite a few years ago before there were so many
computers with
access to
the internet. I charged 5 cents a copy and the kids
grumbled about it
but
usually came up with the coins they needed.
I finally figured out that if they didn't have to pay
for copies
printed
from the internet that it didn't make since to charge
them for copies
made
on the copy machine. So for my last year as the
librarian, students
got
their copy machine copies for free. If they wanted to
print off
multiple
copies of a party invitation, or the like, then I
charged them but
stuff for
school projects was free. Teachers (allegedly)
started sending
students to
the library to make multiple copies of a worksheet or
test. I didn't
allow
that because staff were supposed to do that themselves
on a different
copier
or have the aide in the print shop make copies for
them. This copier
was
getting to its end days so that's why I got grouchy
about the multiple
copies.
I believe that my replacement has carried on with this
policy.
We have what is referred to as a Student Copier" in
the library which
was
originally paid for out of Student Association funds.
When I first
arrived
students were being charged five cents a copy, and
since the coin
collection part of the machine had been vandalized
beyond reasonable
repair, I spent a year looking like a cable car toll
collector making
change. I dutifully turned in the money to the
accountant. At the end
of
the year I totally up the amount collected which I
vaguely recollect
was
several hundred dollars at best. It did not seem like
an efficient use
of
my time nor fair to kids to whom 50cents might be a
lot. Since then we
have
a policy that the copier is free for 3-4 pages of
print or one image
for
educational purposes. The kids rarely abuse the
privelege and are
appreciative of the convenience. I believe it is well
worth the
investment
in saved reference books. The cartridges are now paid
for out of
literacy
grant money, if I am not mistaken.
KE Hones
O'Connell HS library
2355 Folsom, Sf, CA 94110
kayhones@yahoo.com
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