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Thank you for all the well-thought advice. i asked the group to give advice about grading libary classes: How about asking him if any other faculty have a class load of that many students? ------- When you discuss this with your supervisor, ask them what other activities you will omit/discontinue/cancel in lieu of this. (Somethimes that makes them stop and think...) Beyond that...This may be considered a change in your working conditions. Perhaps it is time to have a private consultation with your union representation. Then you might embark on an informal (or formal) course of joint action. IMHO as a former elementary school librarian, giving grades is punitive. Library instruction is not a discipline. It's a(n integrated) process. However, I can recall being in your shoes some years ago. And the punitive aspect had short term value for controlling a few classes. I envy your high school librarians for having good colleagues like you in the elem. level. There is nothing in my district, and it certainly shows in the way kids do their work. ------- Research your state standards for any that might apply to the whatever you teach, explain same to your students, have THEM create rubrics for progress, meeting, and mastery, and then have THEM self-assess with "I" if in progress toward meeting the standard, "P" for proficiency, and "M" for consistent mastery [or whatever three ratings they choose]. It is amazing to me how tough students can be on themselves when this system is used well -- and how honest. If we are teachers, and paid as such, assessments SHOULD be a part of the job, but that doesn't mean that we must grade, or quiz, or test necessarily. In doing the things required in a library, students can prove to themselves what they know or don't know and be part of the process. Good luck! --------- Because library skills cannot be taught in a vacuum. They are taught in the context of the curriculum - and therefore, the grade for the project is the teacher's responsibility. You can, however, help design rubrics to assess library skills. I would not agree to grading any more definitively than S/U. ---------- I can see grading some stuff -- like if you work with a fifth grade on research papers. You handle the notecards for the bibliography, maybe note-taking. But how can you grade kids in first grade? They listen to lots of stories, that's about it. I can see giving a class grade for conduct or you having some influence on a conduct grade. That is what my school does. In fact, my son's class was so bad yesterday that he has to write an essay on discipline. He did his, but some of his classmates said they wouldn't. Guess what? Those kids who do not do the assignment will fail conduct the next six weeks. Oh, that means their grades drop one full letter. Should be interesting to see if they can get out of the fifth grade! ----------- How about...you have a hundreds of books to order, book reviews to read, 400 students to maintain in the student database, overdue notices to print out and distibute, hundreds of books to catalog (if you order yours already processed, I'll bet you have donations and equipment to enter), books to stamp, cover, label, repair,etc. You also have a several thousand dollar budget to maintain and be responsible for spending it wisely. And I almost forgot about helping students in the library and teachers finding a last minute book or information. That's on top of having classes. You simply do not have the same daily responsiblilities as a classroom teacher or even another "specials" teacher. You have more! ----------- I had a similar job for 2 years, with 13 classes twice a week; the good thing was really getting to know the kids and being able to coordinate my assignments. I only had 200 kids in these 26 classes, though. The grades I gave were basically plus, avg., or needs improvement, on about 4 criteria. Computer grades were only for grades 4-6. It worked ok except I wished there was an item for attitude/effort, so I could let the parents know that improvement was needed. You clearly have too much to do. If the other specials don't give grades, perhaps you could try that argument. On the other hand, grades do make our classes seem more important. By the way, I complained that my job was too much for one person. The board enthusiastically agreed, and changed it from one FT job to 2 half-time jobs, computer teacher and librarian. I asked to be interviewed for the 1/2 time library job, but they didn't even interview me and gave it to someone else. After 2 years but no tenure, I was told I didn't have a leg to stand on. Chuck Finnigan librarian~technology~planning time specialist Central Elementary School Sedro Woolley, WA 98284 cfinnigan@swsd.k12.wa.us www.swsd.k12.wa.us =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-= All postings to LM_NET are protected under copyright law. To quit LM_NET (or set-reset NOMAIL or DIGEST, etc.) send email to: listserv@listserv.syr.edu In the message write EITHER: 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL or 3) SET LM_NET DIGEST 4) SET LM_NET MAIL * Please allow for confirmation from Listserv. For LM_NET Help see: http://ericir.syr.edu/lm_net/ Archives: http://askeric.org/Virtual/Listserv_Archives/LM_NET.shtml See also EL-Announce for announcements from library media vendors: http://www.mindspring.com/~el-announce/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=