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I hope you will stick to your sensible position on the issue of grades. Fact is teaching AND grading others represents a conflict of interest--like the arresting officer acting as one's defense attorney--that we have FAILED with since this flawed practice was initiated some two hundred plus years ago, when men wore powdered wigs rather than wash their natural hair. And, sadly, the fact is this INVENTION is now so entrenched it will take more effort (I'm working on it) to educate the entrenched out of this flawed practice, to a healthier, more helpful, legitimate place. In the meantime, if we can manage to keep from losing more ground, as you intend, that would be nice. That said, you might put the ball back in your principal's court and indicate that you, of course, expect him to provide you with true justification (there's LOTS of false rationales floating around, based on the ASSUMPTION that we not only can, but MUST grade others whom we are charged to TEACH) for grading others on what is and must be natural and essential learning (or if it is not natural and essential, why do we presume to grade others' elective engagement in same?!). ---------- Grading library is the worst mistake ever. As it is only 15% of Americans use libraries. We do not want it to become a subject. That is counterproductive. It should be modeling for a lifelong pattern of the way libraries should be used in our adult lives. --------- We do not grade either our library classes nor our computer classes in the elementary. We consider them enrichment activities that are there to assist the student in their educational process. Because the classes do not meet for more than an 1/2 hour to an hour a week, we feel the time is not lengthy enough to validate grading. Also, many of the activities are hands on and do not fit into an easy process of grading. ---------- The grades should come from classroom teachers when they do a project that incorporates library skills. When we teach skills in the library we try to do it with a positive approach... not the fear of grades. When I introduce something to students I tell them what the goals are for that particular day. Our goal is to make sure that YOU know how to use the patron catalog and select the right information to find the book on the shelf. If YOU have trouble don't hesitate to ask because we want to make sure YOU will be able to do it yourself. There's nothing wrong in NOT being able to find something because that is our goal for today... to show you how to do it. If a student is able to look at the screen and locate the book on the shelf... that student has an A. If a student can't find the book on the shelf and asks for help and we find it together... that student has an A. If it takes two or three books but a student finds it.... A. We want students to LOVE libraries and everything connected with it.... how many kids have we heard that HATE school? We don't need the pressure of grades for a skill that is "learning for life" .... they need to LOVE our facilities and hopefully us!!! -------- If you must do it, how about as Pass/Fail grade. That would probably be the only way you could actually grade them. --------- What kind of grades? Conduct grades? or A, B, C, D? My professor in Library school said never grade. There is no point. You can incorporate state guidelines without grading. I have 860 students with 10 classes per day and I would never grade. Kids should feel comfortable doing something without a grade. Do you grade recess? Lunch? Hang tight! -------- Here is my food for thought....yes, it is a pain in the butt giving grades to 400 students (that is about how many I have to give too), and it is very difficult since you only see them once a week and, if for some reason you miss a week, then you go two or more weeks without seeing them BUT, if you can't get out of it...there are some benefits at least. They are: it does give your porgram some credibility with the students and parents since it is graded. Also, if a student has had an overdue book for the entire quarter, I write it as a comment on the report card...often times, the book is suddenly located!! -------- If you can continue to NOT give grades, it makes your job easier. I started this year teaching 400+ elementary students in both keyboarding and library, and had to give grades. They hired a second person halfway through the year, recognizing that it isn't a one person job. As you have the added tech responsibility (which is an endless job in its own right), I don't see how you could do it, without dropping some of the other responsibilities. If you DO have to do it, a S/U, E system might be easier than having to grade papers. The problem we've encountered is keeping 400 students straight, TWICE. NO teacher has to grade that many kids. You see EVERYONE, and have planning for HOW many lessons? And how much planning time do they give you? Is it all taken up in tech support or library services? Good luck. Decide what YOU can and want to do, enlist all those who can help you (teachers who would be devastated if they couldn't count on you to help find resources, administrators who support libraries, other librarians or specialists who understand your position, etc.) Find out who's pushing for it and why, and see if you can influence THEM, or just need to find some one with more power who supports YOUR position. --------- While the idea is a good oneif you look at it from the point of view that it may help with discipline and that you will be considered by others in the faculty as a teacher, these are some of the reasons why I do not think you want to do that (giving grades): 1. Scheduled library vs. open access - students will not be able to come to the library when needed but have to wait for their class to come. 2. The administration will use that time as planning for the classroom teachers so they will not be there with you to ensure the library lesson supports classroom learning. Remember, library skills are best taught in context. 3. Coming to the library will be viewed as a class. Therefore, how can you instill the love of reading, for reading's sake as opposed to it being assigned. Remember, language arts teachers have children read books and do book reports, and has this fostered a love for reading? 4. How are you going to assign grades? 5. Are you willing to average 800 grades per grading period? Not even a classroom teacher in an overcrowded school has to do that. 6. When are you going to do the library work that needs to be done - ordering, processing etc. I suggest you leave well enough alone and do not get involved in that extra headache of assigning grades and at the same time maintaining and running a library media center. ----------- I am torn on this issue personally. Right now I am in a very small school and I grade for grades 6-8 which goes into their Language Arts grade...so I collaborate with that teacher on designing relevant curriculum. I find that the students take libraru more seriously; I have more leverge and I get to know the parents - all which make me feel more a part of the community. The difficult thing for me is seeing grades K-8 and then focusing in one middle school to ddsign rubrics, projects that meet the needs of all learners that are also developmentally appropriate...classroom teachers focus on one or two grades...but when you are asked to spead yourself out over many grades, styles, languages etc, subject areas, it becomes overwhelming and you loose the ability to really be effective in the library area. --------- I am torn on this issue personally. Right now I am in a very small school and I grade for grades 6-8 which goes into their Language Arts grade...so I collaborate with that teacher on designing relevant curriculum. I find that the students take libraru more seriously; I have more leverge and I get to know the parents - all which make me feel more a part of the community. The difficult thing for me is seeing grades K-8 and then focusing in one middle school to ddsign rubrics, projects that meet the needs of all learners that are also developmentally appropriate...classroom teachers focus on one or two grades...but when you are asked to spead yourself out over many grades, styles, languages etc, subject areas, it becomes overwhelming and you loose the ability to really be effective in the library area. -------- It stinks, I agree, but I have to do it too. I am considered a full-time "specials" teacher. All of the library work I do, I do on my own time, so giving grades was an automatic. I have 700 students, so I came up with the best way I knew how. I give the students a V=very good, G=good, N=needs improvement. Here are the 5 things I look at: _Class Work_ Demonstrates skills taught in class Completes work with quality and effort _Classroom Behavior_ Listens and follows directions Treats books, computers, and materials with respect Displays positive attitude ---------- Chuck Finnigan librarian~technology~planning time specialist Central Elementary School Sedro Woolley, WA 98284 cfinnigan@swsd.k12.wa.us www.swsd.k12.wa.us =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-= All postings to LM_NET are protected under copyright law. To quit LM_NET (or set-reset NOMAIL or DIGEST, etc.) send email to: listserv@listserv.syr.edu In the message write EITHER: 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL or 3) SET LM_NET DIGEST 4) SET LM_NET MAIL * Please allow for confirmation from Listserv. 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