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Dear all, Here is a hit to the question I posed about how to accurately pinpoint a reference in a website. I didn't really mean how do you cite a website in a bibliography and so I have not included the replies that had information on how to do that in the hit. Here are some of the answers I received: 1. Since you can not be really sure that you can find a website again at the same place, I think one thing to do is to print it out and treat it like printed sources, besides giving the URL, the title and the date when you last read it (students must also be taught how to search a certain part of the text on one long web page). If people are interested in the whole content maybe they can contact you and ask for a copy, if the web site has disappeared. What do you think? 2. I suggested students use just the first part of the address as to the first period or / In my schools in Toronto, we only did internal citations in which you only use the author's last name, date and pg. #. Thus by using only the first part of the address, you are doing the same as using only the author's last name. The reader can get the whole address in the bibliography just as he cuold get the whole name in the bibliography. If two or more addresses started out the same, just continue to the point where they are different. Just as if two authors had the same last name; you would only use the author's first initial to show the difference. Hope this will help you. Am not sure if APA or MLA has a rule or not. 3. An interesting problem. If you were using Netscape as your browser you could find out the page the quote was on by looking at the Print Preview option found under File on the tool bar. However Internet explorer does not have this option, so this is only part of the answer. 4. I have never seen any convention for doing this, however the "find" command should make it fairly easy to locate a particular piece of text in a long etext so I can't see that it is really neccessary. It is usually hard enough to get the information that is required for a website citation. There are far to many that don't give an author or date of last update. 5. I have a page with a bibliography and a web page as an example. I don't think you can cite it any better than it is presented. It is not your fault if the site isn't separated enough. My example is at http://www.knowledgecollegetutors.com/bib.htm <http://www.knowledgecollegetutors.com/bib.htm> 6. Many sources have extremely long URLs and there is no hope of getting back to that information by typing that URL even if you typed it all correctly. It depends on the original source of the information and how you got to that piece of information. I've come to the conclusion that the Internet isn't always a very reliable source to use even when you have correct documentation! (But we really all knew that anyway, didn't we?) 7. I really have no idea. The only thing I can think of is to would be for the researcher to print out the webpage and number the paragraphs. They would then be able to footnote the paragraphs by number. It definitely points to how essential it is for researchers to print the pages as they are the day of their research. The author could add and subtract paragraphs at will - making nonsense of paragraph citation. It really makes you wish for some kind of a governing body for the internet for research purposes doesn't it? Just so the web authors would have to follow some sort of protocol. 8. The size of the site doesn't really matter. Each page, while possibly long, has its own unique address. If a direct quote is taken from the page, it will be easier to find than in a book since one can simply do a "find" to locate the words. Sally Jeans Librarian, International Section French International School 165, Blue Pool Road Happy Valley Hong Kong Email: jeans@lfis.edu.hk =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-= All postings to LM_NET are protected under copyright law. To quit LM_NET (or set-reset NOMAIL or DIGEST, etc.) send email to: listserv@listserv.syr.edu In the message write EITHER: 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL or 3) SET LM_NET DIGEST 4) SET LM_NET MAIL * Please allow for confirmation from Listserv. For LM_NET Help see: http://ericir.syr.edu/lm_net/ Archives: http://askeric.org/Virtual/Listserv_Archives/LM_NET.shtml See also EL-Announce for announcements from library media vendors: http://www.mindspring.com/~el-announce/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=