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We also miss noodletools, and will be unable to subscribe at this time since my budget has been spent. I do agree that the makers of Noodletools= should be compensated - and that keeping the site ad free is a bonus. If you read the information on their site, they also regret what happened bu= t had very little choice. I have shown the two alternatives listed = EasyBib http://www.easybib.com <http://easybib.com> MLA free, MyBibP= ro gives MLA or APL BUT users need a subscription at $5.00 per year. There i= s a version for libraries at a cost of 25 cents per student, per year. = Slate Citation Machine http://landmarks4schools.org/citation_machine/cm_web.php3 = Returns citations in both MLA and APL format. So far no subscription rate= . = Several English teachers are most willing to let their students use these. One teacher is going to make students do several hand written one= s, then compare theirs to one of these to see how close they can come. = I am thinking out loud here --- In looking at which does the best job of= supporting MLA style. Is it more important that we get the EXACT MLA styl= e or that we teach the importance to students following a standard for citations? By this I mean -- the English teachers at my school do not al= l agree on what the "correct" style is. I have a print manual for MLA (recent), have shown them several web sites including one from the Modern= Language Association. I also show them the citation guides from out electronic databases (which I would assume are correct). In each case at least one teacher is sure that isn't correct form. These teachers hand ou= t their "standard" format. I tell the students that they should always find out what the standards a= re for the class they are taking. If going on to college, find out what the standards are for that college. There may be a guide book for sale in the= college book store giving the standards expected. As I said, I am thinking out loud. I would be interested in other opinion= s as I have an open mind on this. Deborah J. Stafford Gen. H.H. Arnold High School Wiesbaden Germany now proudly on the web at http://www.wies-hs.odedodea.edu Deborah_Stafford@compuserve.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-= All postings to LM_NET are protected under copyright law. To quit LM_NET (or set-reset NOMAIL or DIGEST, etc.) send email to: listserv@listserv.syr.edu In the message write EITHER: 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL or 3) SET LM_NET DIGEST 4) SET LM_NET MAIL * Please allow for confirmation from Listserv. For LM_NET Help see: http://ericir.syr.edu/lm_net/ Archives: http://askeric.org/Virtual/Listserv_Archives/LM_NET.shtml See also EL-Announce for announcements from library media vendors: http://www.mindspring.com/~el-announce/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=