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Let's have a little common sense here... Grolier Online is a commercial database and a school library pays for it. A commercial online service looks at logins, searches and downloads as a measure of its service, not 'hits'. Repeating the same search and download 10 times will not add greatly to the statistics, but it may trigger a problem report internally and have folks trying to figure out why the same material was requested repeatedly in so short a time. They'll figure that something went wrong and start looking for the problem. <grin>. While the suggestion to contact a website for permission to use materials is a good practice, it's not necessary when there are licensing provisions already set out for a commerical database that a library has a subscription to. Of course, if the use is not going to be the traditional research type of use, then permission should be sought. I went to the site and read the license for use. It is very specific as to what is not allowed. Dan Robinson HW Wilson Company Bronx, NY drobinson@hwwilson.com On 12 Nov 2002 at 20:47, Sharron L. McElmeel wrote: > Many on line sites count on recording the number of "hits" to justify > their continued existence to corporate sponsors. Even if the site > gives permission to print from the web site that does not equate to > printing one copy and photocopying the paper and distributing it to 20 > students. If each student printed their own copy as intended the site > would have 20 "hits" to use as evidence that the site was viable > (somewhat like advertisers wanting to know the audience of a > particular tv show before they spend money on it). Thus, printing > from the Internet 20 times is not the same as printing once and then > photocopying. > > With that said, I have never been refused when I have asked > permission to do such a thing by quickly e-mailing the webmaster. Then > they have the letter to demonstrate the use of their site. The answer > has always been "yes." Be sure to include the number of copies you > would like to make and how you will be using the copies. > > Works the same way if you want to off load a site and use it through > out the day without a WWW connection. Not legal unless you have > permission. ;>) > > Sharron > > > > > At 3:44 PM -0500 11/12/2002, Clark, Molly wrote: > >Hi, > > > >I am in the middle of a debate and I hope you can help. We subscribe > >to Grolier Online and several students in one class want to print out > >the same science fair project idea. To conserve printer ink > >cartidges, one teacher wants to make photo copies of a single print > >out. Another says that this is a violation of copyright, and each > >user must print their own. My opinion is that making photo copies is > >okay, but I was asked to double check. So here I am. Who is correct? > >Thanks for your help! > > > >Molly Clark =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-= All postings to LM_NET are protected under copyright law. To quit LM_NET (or set-reset NOMAIL or DIGEST, etc.) send email to: listserv@listserv.syr.edu In the message write EITHER: 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL or 3) SET LM_NET DIGEST 4) SET LM_NET MAIL * Please allow for confirmation from Listserv. For LM_NET Help see: http://ericir.syr.edu/lm_net/ Archives: http://askeric.org/Virtual/Listserv_Archives/LM_NET.shtml See also EL-Announce for announcements from library media vendors: http://www.mindspring.com/~el-announce/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=