I apologize, I missed that it was Grolier Online -- however, if 20
students login to a site then it is still a measure of their service.
Depends I guess on whether or not each student is logging in
individually or if one is logging in and each is moving to the
computer to download his or her personal copy.
And yes the licensing provisions on a commercial site does have
everything to do with the way it is used - for that site.
But lets be careful not to extrapolate information appropriate to a
commercial site for which there is a license for use to a site such
as Carol Hurst's Children's Literature Site for which there is a
definite benefit for having "hits" recorded; or the Smithsonian Site
which appreciated the request to use their site offline so that they
could include our numbers in their statistics. All depends on the
owner of the site.
And BTW Dan -- I was using "a little common sense." ;>)
Sharron
At 10:58 PM -0500 11/12/2002, Dan Robinson wrote:
>Let's have a little common sense here... Grolier Online is a
>commercial database and a school library pays for it. A commercial
>online service looks at logins, searches and downloads as a measure
>of its service, not 'hits'. Repeating the same search and download 10
>times will not add greatly to the statistics, but it may trigger a
>problem report internally and have folks trying to figure out why the
>same material was requested repeatedly in so short a time. They'll
>figure that something went wrong and start looking for the problem.
><grin>.
>
>While the suggestion to contact a website for permission to use
>materials is a good practice, it's not necessary when there are
>licensing provisions already set out for a commerical database that a
>library has a subscription to. Of course, if the use is not going to
>be the traditional research type of use, then permission should be
>sought. I went to the site and read the license for use. It is very
>specific as to what is not allowed.
>
>Dan Robinson
>HW Wilson Company
>Bronx, NY
>drobinson@hwwilson.com
>
>
>On 12 Nov 2002 at 20:47, Sharron L. McElmeel wrote:
>
> > Many on line sites count on recording the number of "hits" to justify
>> their continued existence to corporate sponsors. Even if the site
>> gives permission to print from the web site that does not equate to
>> printing one copy and photocopying the paper and distributing it to 20
>> students. If each student printed their own copy as intended the site
>> would have 20 "hits" to use as evidence that the site was viable
>> (somewhat like advertisers wanting to know the audience of a
>> particular tv show before they spend money on it). Thus, printing
>> from the Internet 20 times is not the same as printing once and then
>> photocopying.
>>
>> With that said, I have never been refused when I have asked
>> permission to do such a thing by quickly e-mailing the webmaster. Then
>> they have the letter to demonstrate the use of their site. The answer
>> has always been "yes." Be sure to include the number of copies you
>> would like to make and how you will be using the copies.
>>
>> Works the same way if you want to off load a site and use it through
>> out the day without a WWW connection. Not legal unless you have
>> permission. ;>)
>>
>> Sharron
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 3:44 PM -0500 11/12/2002, Clark, Molly wrote:
>> >Hi,
>> >
>> >I am in the middle of a debate and I hope you can help. We subscribe
>> >to Grolier Online and several students in one class want to print out
>> >the same science fair project idea. To conserve printer ink
>> >cartidges, one teacher wants to make photo copies of a single print
>> >out. Another says that this is a violation of copyright, and each
> > >user must print their own. My opinion is that making photo copies is
> > >okay, but I was asked to double check. So here I am. Who is correct?
> > >Thanks for your help!
> > >
> > >Molly Clark
>
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