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Thanks to all who responded. Here are the questions I asked - Please let me know if you are using either of these programs strictly to reward students for reading or are there grading scales in place to give students grades? Do you have any policies that will not allow a child to fail just because he/she does not get enough points or pass enough books for a grading period. If you use a grading scale or point scale, please send it to me. Please be sure to let me know the grade level. Do you only allow students to read books just on their lexile level or reading level? Paula We are using AR in grades 2-10. I cannot speak for the elementary but in grades 6-12 AR is considered part of the student's English or language arts grades. The percentage varies from 10-20%, Most of the teachers require at least two AR books each quarter. Students may earn extra credit by reading a state award nominee book. The middle schoolers receive incentives as certain percentages are reached. Grades 6-12 can receive an incentive from me if they score 80% or better on the test for one of the award nominee books. Students are encouraged to read at the lower end of their reading range and to move up as they succeed. We had a lot of rebellion from the high school boys at first, but after the first book, some of them actually like reading now. We would like to switch to Reading Counts from Scholastic because their program offers so many things that AR does not. However, we do not have the money as of yet. My school decided years ago for this program to work it needed to be flexable. The eighth grade students needed some young adult type books to read. We have been purchasing the young adult state books. Our eighth grade students don't work toward points, they are required to read two books, on or around their level, and make a passing percentage. When a student selects a book that is not AR they may read the book and then make up ten questions. Then one of the adult faculity members will read the book and make up ten questions. We then install a test for that book. Oh, the students are delighted they have made a test. I do try to work with students in the 6th and 7th grades that are not passing a test or not taking test. Some time just a little one on one help with book selection helps. Bottom line is our reading scores are improving. Our faculity is bonded together to make this happen we are not depending on AR to do any more than its part. t= o disagree. Which ever side you are on, nothing posted SEEMS to convice us = to switch "sides". I have a proposal; I am one who does not philosophically agree with either Accelerated Reade= r or Reading Counts for many of the reasons already posted as well as from personal experience as a child reader. = However, in reading the past threads I have modified my stance. I believ= e = that if I ever need to implement the program II can do so in such a way a= s to negate some of what I consider to be the negative effects. Specificall= y I have learned from those in favor of the program that; - if the program is implemented correctly the points and prizes need not control the program, - that students who are not already strong readers can increase their reading level, = -and that using the program increases book circulation. Are there others who while they are still philosphically opposed -- have modified their view of these programs and if so in what ways. I also believe that some of you who are strong proponents of the programs= have also modified your views/practices based upon some of the discussion= . Could we also hear from you about how your views have changed. I am in hopes that this will be a productive way to continue the discussion. I too applaud the responses to AR. I wrote an article several years ago for Library Talk comparing AR and RC before we started. I was starry eyed then and now am experienced, but I still think that AR is one of the best things that has happened to our school and library. WHY? Because KIDS ARE READING and KIDS ARE TALKING ABOUT BOOKS! WIth the quizzes we can also check their comprehension which in today's world of passive TV and video games, kids are held accountable for understanding something. I find one of the biggest problems in todays world (both kids and adults) is that NO ONE THINKS or PAYS ATTENTION! Before AR, the books just 'went out for air' and we hardly ever had books renewed ... because they were not being read. Yes, our circulation has increased, but more importantly kids are talking about and sharing books. I have had a single copy of the all of the Lemony Snicket books on the shelves for over a year...and just since Christmas I have had a 4th grader start reading them...and the phenomomen spread so fast that I had to purchase 2 more sets! All because the kids were talking about them!!!! Now both boys and girls are challenging themselves to read them, taking quizzes on them AND passing the quizzes with flying colors. I was reluctant and skeptical with regard to "pushing" AR and promoting it in the library in the beginning (5 years ago). But it is hard to ignore what has been proven out in time. 1. Kids who love to read - are good readers and AR rewards them. 2. Kids who a reluctant to read usually have some discomfort with reading and reading practice seems to work towards overcoming what ever the diagnosis was. 3. AR promotes reading practice. Kind of like shooting baskets from the free throw line will improve your free throw opportunities in a game of basketball. 4. Even kids who are reluctant to read are motivated to take a test on a computer and get the TOPS report to show their teacher/parent, etc. In our school - that is pretty much the reward - that and meeting a personal goal in each marking period. Using the sports analogy - it's like track - you are working for your personal best. We do celebrate at the end of the marking period with a fun event of some kind. 5. There is a reading "culture" that is subtle but I think it is evident even in young children. Reluctant readers are often outside of the loop - they aren't included in the conversations and enthusiasm around a series that is part of the "talk" in reading circles. AR tears down those walls. All the kids know about Mary Pope Osborne (just as an example) and most have read at least one of her books. Kids are talking about books who normally would not. 5. And...a side light - our kids are actually getting better at taking tests. Thank you, Tony. You said many of the things I had been planning to say when I had a chance to write my response. The bottom line is that AR cannot be nor does Renaissance Learning claim that it is a comprehensive reading program. For our students, it is the "outside reading" component of their English class and can be used for extra credit in physical science or biology. It counts as a part of their English grade, but we don't provide any other incentives. If a student really wants to read a particular book that is outside of their reading range or isn't one with an AR quiz, teachers are flexible and provide an alternative way to assess whether the student actually read the book. We have seen some increase in our reading scores since we began using the program school-wide three years ago. And I've seen it encourage some of our struggling readers as success on quizzes gives them immediate feedback on their reading progress. I've even seen a few become avid readers because they've used AR in conjunction with their regimented remedial reading curriculum (Language! for those of you who want to know). In addition, our good readers get credit for some of the reading they do -- which never happened before.... As many others have said, the criticism of the program seems to be when it's misused and placed as the only reading program a school uses. It's a great adjunct program, but not a centerpiece. We have gone into AR in a big way this year. We have a full-year program. Each quarter students are rewarded with a small incentive: bookmarks, pencil grips, etc. Students receive a grade in their language arts class. Many of my teachers give extra credit to students for reading. At the end of the year, any students who have reached their goal three out of the four quarters will go on a field trip. I am in a 6-7-8 media center and we use reading counts. In 7-8 grade each student has to pass four book tests in the course of the year. The grading scale for 7 grade is 6=D 7=C 8=B 9-10=A. The grading scale for 8 grade is 7=D 8=C 9=B 10=A. If the students fail the test they have to take chapter notes on the book. (They can also choose a new book, but they still have to do chapter notes.) 99% of the students will pass the test after doing notes. If the students do not pass four tests by the end of the year, they will go to summer school. Students can do as many extra credit book tests as they want. We have a reading award for the student who reads the most books. In 6 grade we run the program the same way. However, they have to read 8 books during the year. In 6 grade the grading scale is the same as in 7 grade We set a schoolwide goal of nine tests taken and passed on a student's ZPD as set by a STAR reading test or a teacher or media specialist determination. We consider passing to be a score of 80% or better. For students that meet this goal, I sponsor AR parties at the end of each quarter. The themes vary. Some of the most popular include: a western cook-out and games, a pirate limbo contest, a pajama party read-in, an ice cream social. Students get individual invitations and must RSVP with a letter. Some are very creative and some even include artwork! This helps students get practice in writing and gives them and also helps them learn etiquette in replying to invitations. This goal is set low to make it very acchievable for every student in our school. The kids love the parties because they are fun and they get out of class! The parties last 45-60 minutes. We do not count AR tests in figuring grades. I also do not make students read on their level. I do sometimes use the parties as an excuse to encourage a student who is a struggling reader to get a somewhat easier book. I don't believe in taking a book a student wants to read out of his hands but I do not want students to get bogged down in books that are entirely too hard and get discouraged with reading. We have lots of AR tests on every level and include biography, science, folk/fairy tale, social studies, hobby and leisure, and poetry, as well as fiction and picture books. Please let me know if you are using either of these programs strictly to reward students for reading or are there grading scales in place to give students grades? *Accelerated Reader--used for reward and grading Do you have any policies that will not allow a child to fail just because he/she does not get enough points or pass enough books for a grading period. *AR counts as 20% of E/LA grade. NO student can fail because of this grade. I've even told parents I would sue the district if my kid failed because of AR. If you use a grading scale or point scale, please send it to me. Please be sure to let me know the grade level. Students at different grade levels are supposed to have x number of points based on their grade level and the number of minutes they read per day (30 minutes at school). 10% of the E/LA grade is based on the number of points earned as opposed to the number the student SHOULD have earned. 10% is based on the overall percentage correct for that grading period...so, theoretically, a kid could read half point books, get just a few points and have a low point ratio, but have a 100% percentage correct. Hmmm... I don't fully support this theory and the principal, curriculum specialist and I are supposed to discuss some alternatives to take to the E/LA teachers AS SOON AS we can all get one minute of free time! Do you only allow students to read books just on their lexile level or reading level? *I don't really care what they read. I do get a little cranky with our older kids if they just check out picture books all the time (we are grades 5 - 8). Depending on the kids' reading and past checkout, I may or may not force them to change their book selections. Mostly, I leaveit up to the teacher to police that. I'm a LMS, and I try to remember that! Love of books first...AR later! The English teachers use the program in various ways in their classrooms, but most of them use it as a grade. Most of the teachers allow students to read any book they would like; some require a minimum reading level or minimum number of points. We are a public high school. ===== Paula Yohe Director Of Technology/Library Media Center Dillon School District Two 405 West Washington Street Dillon, SC 29536 Phone: 843-841-3604 Fax:843-774-1214 paula_yohe@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=- All LM_NET postings are protected by copyright law. 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