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I had a couple requests for a HIT so here it is. Sorry it took so long, this is still new to me. These are some of the responses that I got on the subject. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I don't charge the teachers in my school. I encourage them to borrow lots of books and I recognize that some will probably get misplaced, but I figure in this setting, we're all working toward the same goal - getting kids to read - so I don't worry about the books that disappear. There aren't very many, anyway. Just my opinion. Bettie Fisher fisherb@dexter.k12.mi.us Media Specialist Eberwhite Elementary School Ann Arbor, MI The first thing you need to do is have a policy and procedure manual and the second thing is to have it approved by the powers that be, whether it is your principal or board. Once it is approved, then you can enforce the policy with no problem. And I can tell you this from experience...I did they same thing this year and when I get a complaint my principal backs me 100%. Jeanna I didn't get in on the teacher paying for books issue but at my last school in San Antonio Texas when a teacher lost a book there wasn't any question that the teacher would pay for it. The students paid for lost books; the teachers paid for lost books, end of discussion. School property is everybody's responsiblity and considering our library funds had been cut drastically not to charge a person (student or teacher) for losses just wasn't an issue. In addition if teachers checked out a class set of textbooks, they paid for the lost textbooks also. Neena Wright Librarian, Mathews High School Mathews VA nwright@mathews.k12.va.us I've been following this thread with interest. We don't have a policy in >place about charging teachers for lost books. The teachers in my building >assume that they are supposed to pay for the books, and we've always let >them. Molly Clark Library Media Specialist, serving grades 3-5 Elm St. Elementary (K-5) Phoenix, NY mclark2@phoenix.k12.ny.us I'm sorry to disagree on this one. If the teachers would send THE KIDS to the library to check out books instead of creating their own mini-library in the classroom they wouldn't have to worry about children taking the books and then being liable for them. It isn't any better to let teachers get away with losing books than it is for kids to get away with it. We're in our jobs to help keep such a situation from arising. Shelley McCoy Library Media Specialist Farragut Middle School 200 West End Avenue Knoxville, TN 37922 phone 865-671-7016 fax 865-671-7048 email: mccoys@ten-nash.ten.k12.tn.us I say get the support of your administration and stick to your guns. We have the same policy here, and if a teacher whines about it, I refer them to the principal. I look at it this way: The students here have to pay for lost books, so why should the teachers be treated differently?? Our students are very low-income, and if they can manage to pay for the books, surely the teachers can. Plus, I think the policy makes the teachers be more careful with the books. If the policy wasn't in place, why should they keep track of their books?? Good luck! Lisa Jessup Library Clerk Pendleton School Buena Park, CA You must have your principal's support or it just won't work. You'll build too much ill will that will damge a collaborative relationship with your teachers. This is an area you need a lot of tact. Talk a lot about how important it is for teachers to return materials. Give them a lot of gentle reminders. Train all your new teachers, the older one will slowly come around, for the most part. Good Luck! Debbie Balsam, LMS Taylor Elementary Arlington, VA dbalsam@pen.k12.va.us I would only charge them if they lose several and show a pattern of this or NO regard at all for your position. Often my teachers offer to pay; I have never taken money from a teacher that I recall. If they offer to replace a book or two you could take them up on it graciously. Good luck with this, and I know your situation must be different. Keep in mind, as sad as it seems, good, working relationships with teachers are your bread and butter. 8-) Saranne Anyone who loses a book should pay for it. If a teacher checks out books for her classroom then lets a student take a book or more out of the room, the teacher is responsible for seeing that the student returns the book. If the student loses the book, the student should pay but it should be the teacher's responsibility to dog him or contact his parents until the book is paid for. Virginia Y. Martin, Librarian Ketron Middle School Kingsport, TN 37660 mamartin305@yahoo.com Kathy, I go by the ole' saying that if Mama ain't happy, no one is. I have been a school librarian for 18 years and in those years I have had very few books lost by teachers. Most of the books lost were taken home by the student. I have found that I do a lot to keep the teachers happy. If the teachers want to boycott your library....believe you me, they will. I have just learned to choose my battles. Although I taught in the classroom before moving into the library.....they seem to forget we librarians were ever teachers. I love my cohorts and I try not to put too much on them. The "standards" have just about killed them and the pay here is low.....but, if they lose a bunch...then we talk about a "settlement". Good luck to you.....the joy that you bring to your students and the love of reading that you will instill in their hearts is worth every minute you put into it. Good luck and I hope you enjoy your job as much as I do mine. Cathy Lattus Cathy Lattus, Media Specialist Woodrow Wilson Elementary 900 West Emerson Street Paragould, Arkansas cathyl@woodrow.k12.ar.us Kathy, I have never charged teachers for books lost during the year for the very reason you mentioned. I want the teachers to use our resources and understand the value of the library. Students use the books and take them home, etc. and it doesn't seem fair to charge the teacher for a lost book which may have been taken by a student. I have helped them work out different systems for signing out books to students who need them at home, etc. but my philosophy (on all library issues) is that we are here to serve the community (teachers, students and parents). I want them to value and use the facility and therefore I don't want to penalize them for doing that. Our teachers are good about trying to keep track of what they have checked out and asking students to help find those that are missing. If you build trust with teachers and students, they will value your program and want to keep track of materials. I figure the few lost books (which often turn up the next year) is worth the "good relationship". Hope that helps. Sue Kathy: I fill out a purchase order and ask their department head to code it (for their department) and sign it for replacement of the lost item. This works for me. If the department head wants to reduce his budget for a careless teacher then that's fine with me. Lee Milner Torrington High School Torrington, WY 82240 lmilner@goshen.k12.wy.us Most schools have a policy that the school budget makes up this amount. Usually it comes from that department's budget. Did you go to your principal before you initiated this policy? Die he/she approve it, endorse it, tell the faculty about it? Unless you are talking about a lot of books, most just absorb the cost, list it in a budget request ( Amount for replacement of books lost by faculty - $xxx.xx) and go on. It is a hard thing to enforce without prior discussion and real endorsement by administration to back you up. Unless the amount is really large, most administrators won't make a fuss about it. Toni Koontz akoontz@cdeducation.org Media Specialist St. Charles Preparatory www.cdeducation.org/schools/sc Columbus Ohio Carpe Diem Kathy Cool Ressie Jeffries Elem. School Front Royal, Va kcool223@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=- All LM_NET postings are protected by copyright law. 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