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For Joyce and others - Joyce, You posted: "Here is what happens: when I am not sure where to place a book, I check other libraries on the Internet. I often find a variety of choices and the problem is, I don't know how to settle the question for myself. To complicate the matter, much of my collection is old." Are you really sure your time is worth cataloging those old books? Unless these are WONDERFUL old classic folk tales or children's picture books, they're probably NOT worth your time, or your students' time! Please consider that the time you spend might be far better invested in grant writing or getting parents to do a donation program or fund raiser for new books. I just saw an article about a school that got many of the titles on its "wish list" from parents and community members after the school posted a list on Amazon.com . Please consider it! Let me add that I speak from experience: You will probably find that few of the old books you shelve will end up circulating - kids prefer new-looking books ten-to-one. As you do get new books, you will find yourself weeding the old junk you cataloged and wondering why you bothered! If the nonfiction is so old it doesn't have CIP to guide you (although I find that new books printed in the U.K. or in Europe in English don't have CIP), it's really a disservice to put it on the shelf. In fact, most Dewey categories (especially science) should be less than 10 years past the copyright date, and anything more than 20 (except folk and fairy tales, & poetry)years past the copyright (unless its a special collection of local history, etc.) should warrant a visit from the local "Library Police!" <wink!> and haul them off to the local dumpster! I put in some more specific guidelines for you from a weeding brochure below. Additionally, when administrators, potential donors, etc. come into your library and see shelves that APPEAR to be full of books, they don't think of your site as needing more - after all, you have "plenty" of books. What they are really seeing is a "dead book" warehouse - they just don't realize it! When I took over my current site, I discovered that a lot of the old books that weren't circulating (I could see why from the covers and insides - faded, old, boring)had not been originally purchased for the school library. In the back of the books were stamp marks indicating that these books had been previously DISCARDED from a local public library! They hadn't been weeded due to use, but rather LACK of use, despite the often "glowing" reviews printed on them! Some well-meaning person did a great DISSERVICE to our school by donating them! They probably did more to "turn off" potential readers than having a smaller, but more attractive collection would have. By the way, I just weeded my flower garden this morning. I tore out a lot of brown-leafed and overgrown flowers which from my kitchen window view still had lots of colorful flowers as well as "dead heads." But from my kneeling position in the beds, I could see that many other new flowers were overshadowed by them and competing against their roots. I yanked the spent flowers and in a few weeks I'll have lots of new flowers I would have never seen with all the old stuff still there. It's the same with a library, so don't feel guilty weeding or NOT adding weeds in the first place! From a weeding brochure from the Dept. of Education in California: 000 2 - 10 years 500 5 - 10 years 100 10 " 600 5 - 10 " 200 2 - 10 " 700 5 - 15 " 300 5 - 10 "* 800 flexible 400 10 " 900 15 years *the bulletin doesn't mention the 398 range specifically but most people won't want to weed the folk and fairy tales unless there are specific reasons - racial stereotypes might be a problem in some. Drab (faded, dated) illustrations discourage potential readers. I like to do comparisons of the same or variations of the same story or illustration style, so often older tales come in handy. Do however, continue to buy new ones - there are some really great new editions out there now. I purchased about 40 this year and the kids and teachers are just thrilled with them! Joanne Ladewig, Library Media Technician (A.K.A. "Library Lady") Lawrence Elementary, GGUSD Garden Grove, California shatz1@earthlink.net " You may be only one person in the world, but you may also be the world to one person." - - - comments are my own and may not reflect those of my employer- - - =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=- All LM_NET postings are protected by copyright law. To change your LM_NET status, e-mail to: listserv@listserv.syr.edu In the message write EITHER: 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL 3) SET LM_NET MAIL 4) SET LM_NET DIGEST * Allow for confirmation. 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