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This string allows me to quote one of my favorite teachers - the one who
was such a stickler for exactly following cataloging rules.
"Now that I have taught you the correct way, remember, you are in charge
and you are there to help your patrons. Do what is necessary to help
them find what they need."

I don't think we are creating a problem. After all, the student  still
must go to the book, look up the info and see if it fits their needs.
They still have to write the paper- and our teachers are very strict
about quality and plagiarism. So, I think I am actually helping them.
They get a chance to find a lot on their subject - and then have to sift
through it for what they need. They thus become even more discriminating
in their choices. But, they also don't get so discouraged before they
even start.

Case in point: I just had a boy trying to find info on the Industrial
Revolution. He checked my catalog - before he would only have found at
most 5 books.  After I started to expand the Notes he now finds info in
6 others.  These other have statistics or other information on
Industrial Revolution  but not in the subject headings and definitely
not in the title. He now has 11 books to look through to find info on
his subject. Also, if I am not here, he still can find that info.

Toni Koontz
Librarian
St. Charles Preparatory School
Columbus OH
akoontz@cdeducation.org
Carpe Diem

-----Original Message-----
From: School Library Media & Network Communications
[mailto:LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] On Behalf Of Dennis Hollingsead
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 2:36 PM
To: LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
Subject: Re: CATALOGUING: Your thoughts about adding lots of keywords
toarecord


> Even though this makes it easier for students, could it be
> counter-productive long-term?  Where then will they refine the skills
> to sleuth out a topic that is assigned or of interest? Doing too much
> of this could result in matches that are lengthy (similar to the
> problems with the internet).  Maybe this exagerates the point, but
> this solution could create other problems in trying to solve one. What

> do you think?

Dennis Hollingsead
****


> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: School Library Media & Network Communications
> > [mailto:LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] On Behalf Of Robert Hiebert
> > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 11:18 AM
> > To: LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> > Subject: CATALOGUING: Your thoughts about adding lots of keywords to

> > a record
> >
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > As I watch students (I'm in a high school of 500, grades 8 to 12)
> > search my catalogue I see that their expectations have been
> > established by
> > Google: when they do a keyword search for 'marijuana' they expect to

> > find every book with information about marijuana; of course, that is

> > not what happens; they find only the books with the word 'marijuana'
> > entered
> > somewhere in the record. I then tell them they need to broaden their
> > search -- "try 'drugs' or 'drug abuse'" -- and many more hits
appear.
> >
> > There is no chance I am going to effectively teach even a small
> > minority of our students how to 'broaden the search' (my half-time
> > librarian status is just one reason), so I'm thinking that my
> > catalogue has to be
> > more Google-like. To that end I am considering adding many more
> > keywords
> > to the book records. My first thought is to select keywords from the
> > table of contents of a book and list them in the 'note' field of the
> > book record.
> >
> > I would appreciate your opinions about all this, and I would
> > especially like to hear from anyone who is already doing this.
> >
> > Thanks for listening.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Robert
> >
> >

Dennis Hollingsead
Administrative Assistant to VP for Academic Administration Andrews
University Berrien Springs, MI 49104 269-471-3404 Graduate Student
Minnesota State University, Mankato hollings@andrews.edu

"The man who doesn't read good books has no advantage over the man who
can't read them." Mark Twain

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