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Here are a few comments I posted on my ResourceShelf.com site last week about the article Sybil shared. I also have comments in Thursday's SF Chronicle. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/05/26/BUG996RJLN24.DTL + The study points out that, "Google's results vary little from those found on other search sites." However, SearchDay recently noted that, " A new comparison tool shows that the major search engines have surprisingly little overlap, even for popular search terms. Search engine guru Greg Notess has long studied search engine overlap -- the number of pages found by more than one search engine. Greg's findings have consistently shown that there is very little overlap in the web page databases of the major search engines, meaning you'll likely get very different results depending on the engine." The article also says, "Google users searching for the leading cause of death for people between the ages of 25 and 34, found the information they were looking for 55 percent of the time. The company's rivals fell close behind with between 52 percent and 54 percent success rates, Vividence observed." So I guess the question is, what did the study participants consider a good result? Were those surveyed satisfied with whatever they found? Did time constraints come into play? What were the search terms? How many search terms were used? Those of us who use specialized info databases (free and fee-based) -- along with things called books (no kidding) -- realize that the web/web engines are just one of many research tools. However, I think the general public has little or no idea about "other" existing resources that could not only be helpful, but also SAVE them aggravation and effort. We also know that with a little effort, general web search tools like Google and Yahoo can become much more powerful and precise. This will become even more noticeable as these resources grow in size. I guess the most interesting news is that more and more users are realizing that general web search tools (other than Google) are useful. + "The company found that Google clearly remains consumers' favorite, largely because of the search engine's less-cluttered interface." I can't figure out why Yahoo doesn't spend some effort promoting the search.yahoo.com interface? Heck, you can even customize the tabs! I also think Teoma.com is far from cluttered, and it also gives refinement options not available at Google. Again, creating and purchasing an info resource is one thing, but getting people to use it is something else. Google does it very well (better than just about anyone); others, including traditional vendors and libraries, need to do better. + "Watkins said part of the reason why Google lags behind its competitors is the company's stringent practice of keeping ads well marked, while the other sites sometimes mix solicitations in with regular search results." Google deserves mega kudos for their work in labeling web results and making everyone else follow. That said, everyone else is better, and it's hard to find examples of where the other engines mentioned in the article don't clearly mark ads vs. organic results. + I'll conclude with two comments that I think are relevant. The first from our friend Tara Calishain, who said in a 8/03 AP article, "Google has a lot of smart people who have built a great search engine, but there are a lot of other smart people out there looking for ways to make search engines even better." The other comment is found in a 5/03 Forbes article, "Even Google's engineers admit FAST and Teoma deliver results comparable to theirs." cheers, gary p.s. I'll also point out that WHILE GOOGLE deserves plenty of credit for making web search what it is today, many services it offers are concepts that they did not start. 1) Keyword-based advertising was first introduced by Overture. Overture is now part of Yahoo. 2) Search "shortcuts" now a popular Google tool were first offered several years ago by AltaVista. 3) Online calculator was first made available by AllTheWeb. 4) Link analysis, what Google calls PageRank was first developed for the web by a research project at IBM. They called their engine CLEVER. It was never released publicly but many of its concpets are being used by Teoma. cheers, gary -- Visit The ResourceShelf http://www.resourceshelf.com Gary D. Price, MLIS Librarian Gary Price Library Research and Internet Consulting > Quoting Sybil Finemel <sfinemel@COMCAST.NET>: > > > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/internet/ecommerce/0,39020372,39155836,00.htm > > > > > > > > > > "Google's long-term dominance doubted > > Like Netscape, Google could lose its market dominance as rivals > > increasingly > > adopt its tactics" > > > > > > Matt Hines > > CNET News.com > > May 26, 2004, > > > > > > Sybil Finemel > > Library Director MLIS.CIO. > > Los Angeles CA > > Contributor, lii.org, Librarians' Index to the Internet > > http://lii.org/ > > Virtual Reference Desk Volunteer > > 24/7 Reference Librarian. > > sfinemel@comcast.net -------------------------------------------------------------------- All LM_NET postings are protected by copyright law. To change your LM_NET status, e-mail to: listserv@listserv.syr.edu In the message write EITHER: 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL 3) SET LM_NET MAIL 4) SET LM_NET DIGEST * Allow for confirmation. 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