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No, no, no. This is again where educators and administrators get the fair use guidelines wrong. This is a "public performance" activity and NOT a "fair use" activity. After-school clubs (are not "in-school teaching") and do not fall under the fair-use guidelines. If this were a "Critical Analysis of Modern Cinema" class that was taught at 9:30 a.m. every day during the week by a teacher hired by the school because a curriculum was in place with actual textbooks, syllabus, etc., then it WOULD fall under the fair use guidelines. However, this is a club--(voluntary)--meeting in the school ---(which makes the school "liable for copyright violations" rather than an element under fair use guidelines) and it is NOT an instructional setting ---(although we are meeting IN the school building, this is for entertainment, enjoyment, recreation---no one is getting a grade for this and even if they were, it isn't a part of the regular curriculum.) If you want to be legal....buy a movie license that will allow your club to use videos after school. It will be a great way to model "the correct way to use multimedia" and it protects not only the teacher involved with the club, but also the school, the administrators, the school board members and the district. Showing videos AFTER school does not fall under "fair use"---even if it IS held in the school building, on the school grounds, or under the supervision of the school teacher. Instructional setting refers to the "regularly scheduled classroom curriculum held during the regular school day"--usually 8:00 a.m. - 4:00 p.m or so--- and does not cover those clubs, after school babysitting / child care programs, or other programs that want to take "sanctuary" under the school's roof so that they don't violate copyright.....it's still a violation of copyright. Good luck! ~Shonda Brisco Trinity Valley MS / US Librarian Fort Worth, TX briscos@trinityvalleyschool.org -----Original Message----- From: School Library Media & Network Communications [mailto:LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] On Behalf Of Bonnie Fulmer Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 3:00 PM To: LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU Subject: After-school club use of videos Can any copyright experts out there tell me whether after-school clubs fall under the same fair-use copyright exemptions for showing videos that classes do? Teachers could argue that these showings are: held in classrooms part of face-to-face "teaching" activities (Clubs are sponsored by the school, and advisors are paid to advise them) members are students "enrolled" in a particular club. For example: What if our Anime Club wanted to show anime videos like Angel Cop or Battle Skipper to compare techniques? What if our Human Rights club wanted to show Tropical Nights to learn about abuses abroad? What if our Student Government wanted to show Fahrenheit 9/11 to launch a study of politics? What if our French club wanted to show Moulin Rouge to experience the language? What if we had an official Film Club? Can they show pretty much anything, as long as there are goals (This month we examine comedy, next month we look at science fiction)? I have the Carol Mann Simpson book, and one by Gary Becker on copyright, but I'm not finding anything specific about after-school activities. Maybe they are a "gray area?" Thanks for any definitive findings you can share! ________________ __________________ || \/ || || Bonnie Fulmer, | Librarian || || Spackenkill | High School || || 112 Spack- | enkill Road || || Poughkeepsie | NY 12603 || || voice: (845) | 463-7810 || || fax: (845) | 463-7817 || || fulmerb@hs.sufsd.dcboces.org || ||________________/\_________________|| -------------------------------------------------------------------- All LM_NET postings are protected by copyright law. To change your LM_NET status, e-mail to: listserv@listserv.syr.edu In the message write EITHER: 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL 3) SET LM_NET MAIL 4) SET LM_NET DIGEST * Allow for confirmation. LM_NET Help & Information: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ Archive: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/archive/ EL-Announce with LM_NET Select: http://elann.biglist.com/el-announce/ LM_NET Supporters: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ven.html -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- All LM_NET postings are protected by copyright law. To change your LM_NET status, e-mail to: listserv@listserv.syr.edu In the message write EITHER: 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL 3) SET LM_NET MAIL 4) SET LM_NET DIGEST * Allow for confirmation. LM_NET Help & Information: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ Archive: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/archive/ EL-Announce with LM_NET Select: http://elann.biglist.com/el-announce/ LM_NET Supporters: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ven.html --------------------------------------------------------------------