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My first reaction was 'Is this legal'... surely what this company is doing violates copyright (unless they have individual agreements with and permission from the directors, producers, and studios involved, which I highly doubt). Production companies routinely have in contracts provisions for the editing of a movie if/when rights for commercial television broadcast are sold. These provisions almost never extend to cable or satellite transmission. Any editing that is done for *commercial sale* (ie, dvd's or videotapes) is left in the hands of the production company or studio for the life of the copyright. In fact, there is often a tussle between a director (who may or may not have final say over editing, depending on their contract with the production company or studio) and the studio when it comes time to release the film on dvd or tape (director's cuts, special editions with additional footage, etc.). It is highly unlikely that production companies and directors of high profile movies such as the ones mentioned would surrender unsupervised editing to a small company for commercial sale of the edited product. CleanFilms, Inc. may have negotiated such contracts with the studios involved, but it would be interesting to check with one or two to find out. Indeed, CleanFilms, Inc. puts the folling disclaimer on their website (in rather small print): "CleanFilms provides content-edited movies for private home viewing only. CleanFilms and its suppliers are responsible for all edits made to the DVD movies after the original sale. The motion picture studios, directors, and producers of the unedited version were not involved in the creation of the content-edited version contained on CleanFilms DVDs. Accordingly, the content-edited version of the movies which CleanFilms carries may not reflect the intent of the motion picture studios, directors, and producers. " All this is quite apart from the ethical question of artistic issues. Such editing utterly violates the director's (and script writer's and lighting director's and set designer's and costume designer's and composer's, etc.) intent in making the film. If I remember correctly, Steven Speilberg made these points much more eloquently than I when he was asked to "tone down" Schindler's List to make is usable in classrooms. He refused, saying among other things that a film is an organic whole....cutting, editing, altering the work lessens its impact and damages it, destroying the rythmn and feel of the production. His central concern was that the Holocaust not be softened or its impact lessened, but his concerns are pertinent to any artist. ("I'm sorry, Mr. Rubens, but those breasts have GOT to go. I have some paint and a brush here, it won't take a minute, and you needn't bother, I'll take care of everything.") My twenty-five cents worth...... Mark At 09:06 AM 11/3/2004 -0500, you wrote: >I just had a request from a teacher to order a few movies from = >CleanFilms, >Inc. He wants Forrest Gump, We were soldiers, Schindler's list, The = >Pianist, >and Saving Private Ryan, all of which fit in the curriculum and he has = >the >go ahead from the principal. Apparently this is a conservative company = >who >sells "Family edited movies are popular Hollywood DVD titles that have = >been >professionally edited to remove nudity, sexual situations, offensive >language, and graphic violence." > >I was wondering if anyone has movies by this company and what you = >thought of >the editing (my initial reaction is that Saving Private Ryan must be = >about >30 min long). Exactly how much is taken out? I'm guessing language is = >dubbed >like when they show movies on TV? > > >TIA > > > >--=20 >Stephanie Sweeney >Eastern Lancaster County School District >Garden Spot High School >PO Box 609 >New Holland, PA 17557-0609 >Phone: 717-354-1543 >Fax: 717-354-1534 > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >All LM_NET postings are protected by copyright law. >To change your LM_NET status, e-mail to: listserv@listserv.syr.edu >In the message write EITHER: 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL >3) SET LM_NET MAIL 4) SET LM_NET DIGEST * Allow for confirmation. >LM_NET Help & Information: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ >Archive: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/archive/ >EL-Announce with LM_NET Select: http://elann.biglist.com/el-announce/ >LM_NET Supporters: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ven.html >-------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Williams Consulting Librarian Professional Services for Conferences, Districts, Workshops markwilliams@makaw.net -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The closest thing you will find to an orderly universe is a good library" -------------------------------------------------------------------- All LM_NET postings are protected by copyright law. 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