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WHAT??? I have never heard "brownie points" interpreted that way. I'm sure the majority of people who use the term know only the girl scout explanation. It sounds to me like your teacher was the one with the dirty mind! I think we do need to speak up when we hear people use offensive terms. Then it is up to them on whether or not to continue using them. Just my opinion... Elizabeth Danford Elementary Librarian edanford@cisd.org (903) 874-6971 fax (903) 641-4114 Sam Houston Development Center 1213 W. 4th Ave. Corsicana, TX 75110 >>> Dorothy Tissair <dtissair@SNET.NET> 10/11/04 02:28PM >>> I have had several young people over the last fifteen years or so who had no understanding that words (some far worse than the current one) were offensive to many other people. The words are used regularly in their music, on cable TV, and even by their parents without a bid of thought. Actually, the Vice President was recently credited with using a vulgar term for a physically impossible act. Prehaps this is part of our role as Information Specialists to explain the derivation of such terms in as delicate a fashion as we can. I still remember how Mr. Wolcott, the Science teacher and WWII vet, explained his reason for fnding the 1960's term "brownie points" offensive. Most of us sheltered parochial school teens thought it was a reference to being good little girl scouts. Mr. W managed to explain it to us without having to use the words in the previously mentioned Toyota advertisement either. I think the explanation entailed telling us that the term came from another term he had heard in the Army. Brown was the color the Point of ones nose might become if one committed a degrading act of subservience that he knew none of us would do. As high school seniors we were smart enough to know what the even more vulgar terms were and that they were highly offensive. Of course, we were also "sophisticated?" enough to have developed a few to develop a few other euphemisms and jestures to express our displeasure with other faculty members we thought were less straight with us8-) Dorothy Tissair, M.S., M.L.S. Library Media Specialist Old Saybrook, CT dtissair@snet.net -------------------------------------------------------------------- All LM_NET postings are protected by copyright law. To change your LM_NET status, e-mail to: listserv@listserv.syr.edu In the message write EITHER: 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL 3) SET LM_NET MAIL 4) SET LM_NET DIGEST * Allow for confirmation. LM_NET Help & Information: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ Archive: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/archive/ EL-Announce with LM_NET Select: http://elann.biglist.com/el-announce/ LM_NET Supporters: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ven.html -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- All LM_NET postings are protected by copyright law. To change your LM_NET status, e-mail to: listserv@listserv.syr.edu In the message write EITHER: 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL 3) SET LM_NET MAIL 4) SET LM_NET DIGEST * Allow for confirmation. LM_NET Help & Information: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ Archive: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/archive/ EL-Announce with LM_NET Select: http://elann.biglist.com/el-announce/ LM_NET Supporters: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ven.html --------------------------------------------------------------------