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I believe the "I hope you feel proud" instead of "Good job!" is designed to *try* to get the praisee to turn inward for positive feedback and an "internal locus of control" - the sense that what you do is important in the outcomes of yoru efforts, not random or external forces. Actually, it can work over the long haul. Many of my bright students with learning disabilities had developed - validly - an "external locus of control." Good grades or bad depended on outside forces, not their own efforts. In our structured setting, we could foster making those connections: "You got a <insert the good grade> on this test. How did you get ready for it?" "And when you read the questions, you remembered...?" "And..." - lots of give and **take** about just why s/he did well. I watched students gradually develop a belief that, indeed, when something was assigned they could figure out what to do to take control of the assignment and achieve it, as opposed to hoping that somehow things would be structured so it would all work out. This required appropriate assignments, lots of hand-holding *and* gradual release of one finger at a time, and a whole lot of discussion to make sure that the student was part of what was happening and aware of it. I suspect that's the thinking behind substituting "You should be proud of what you did!" for "I, as queen of all judgments, deem this excellent!" (okay, I exaggerate... :-)) It also takes a long, long time, if you believe you aren't good at something, for others' praise not to sound "hollow." I've watched students (and myself, in the case of cycling) sincerely believe that people were just being nice despite all kinds of objective evidence otherwise. It defies logic. (I'm not saying this is the case in analyzing your artistic efforts - if you *don't* have the previously formed and often false foundation, you're probably a better assessor than others.) Susan Jones Academic Development Specialist Academic Development Center Parkland College Champaign, IL 61821 sujones@parkland.edu Webmastress, http://www.resourceroom.net >>> Julie Dahlhauser <JulDahl@AOL.COM> 08/01/05 2:54 PM >>> Barbara and all, <snip> Somewhere I remember reading that some kids become "praise junkies," usually the littler ones who have unmet emotional needs at home. I've seen kids give extra effort and then whine until you give them the praise they feel is due. Until they've heard the words, "Good job," they don't think the act has value. Or something like that. I've read that you should say, "That must make you feel very proud." (Hoping someone else will know more about this & respond). When I think of my own artistic or musical efforts, I don't really care about others' praise or compliments or winning prizes-- it has to satisfy me. If I think I fluffed a performance, I usually hear that praise as hollow. And I certainly don't read so I can brag on how many pages I got through last summer. I think we all agree that the things we do most passionately are not for extrinsic rewards, not even for praise or the esteem of others. And that includes teaching. I'll be looking for that Kohn book now. Julie Dahlhauser, librarian Anderson Early Childhood Center 620 West Main Street Brownsville, Tennessee USA 38012 JulDahl@aol.com dahlhauserj@k12tn.net -------------------------------------------------------------------- All LM_NET postings are protected by copyright law. To change your LM_NET status, e-mail to: listserv@listserv.syr.edu In the message write EITHER: 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL 3) SET LM_NET MAIL 4) SET LM_NET DIGEST * Allow for confirmation. LM_NET Help & Information: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ Archive: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/archive/ EL-Announce with LM_NET Select: http://elann.biglist.com/sub/ LM_NET Supporters: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ven.html -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- All LM_NET postings are protected by copyright law. To change your LM_NET status, e-mail to: listserv@listserv.syr.edu In the message write EITHER: 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL 3) SET LM_NET MAIL 4) SET LM_NET DIGEST * Allow for confirmation. LM_NET Help & Information: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ Archive: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/archive/ EL-Announce with LM_NET Select: http://elann.biglist.com/sub/ LM_NET Supporters: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ven.html --------------------------------------------------------------------