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There are three new messages that I feel I need to respond to ... 1. Deb Stafford is concerned that we are confusing rewards, awards and praise. I DO know the difference but my response was based on a sentence from Mary's post which I assume to be accurate ... "Kohn discusses why rewards, including praise, fail to promote lasting behaviour change or enhance performance and frequently make things worse". I also believe that the greatest reward in structured commercial "incentive" programs like AR goes to its publishers. I have yet to see any independent research that shows that there is a LONG TERM ATTITUDE CHANGE towards reading (and therefore, what I term success) because of such a program as opposed to a short term "reading age" gain which is an absolute mean-nothing term. 2. Jill Marks is so right when she says "that it is important to foster the love of reading in children by making it intrinsically valuable to them" because THAT is the attitude shift we need and "letting the kids take ownership of the process" is one of the key ways to help it happen. And it works. I have been working all year with groups of reluctant readers from our Yr 5/6 class, and this term I asked the teachers if I could work with a group of independent committed readers on a particular program (reading the latest releases and reviewing them for my national website - http://www.yara-online.org) ) and guess which students are the basis of that group! 3. Rebecca's quoting of Kohn's story about the man's response to the rowdy youths only confirms my belief that if I were ever able to access and read the book, I would be doing it with a very critical eye. She says the outcome was "It wasn't worth the effort for them to continue. They looked upon the idea with scorn. Why should they give it away... ?" I have to say it - "What a load of bollocks!" If tormenting the old man gave them more satisfaction than the money, they would be back the next day. If scoffing the box of chocolates gives you more satisfaction than a drop on the scales, you will continue to eat. If reading the latest Harry Potter gives you more satisfaction than reading an AR book for points, you will continue to read HP. If we only do things because there is an extrinsic, tangible reward, why do we all share our time, experience and expertise via this list, especially on philosophical discussions like this one, for starters. It is a beautiful, mild late-winter, early spring Saturday morning here, and I could be doing anything, but I am choosing to spend over an hour reading and responding to messages from all over the world. And I don't see my pay packet getting any fatter. I believe that if we pay children for every household chore they do (rather than expecting them to do it because they are a member of the family) or reward them tangibly for doing things that they should do because that is what they go to school for then WE are responsible for the selfish, avaricious society we will end up with ... in fact, may already have. And given that the leaders of that society will be the ones making the decisions about my old age, I'd much rather encourage a more compassionate, selfless attitude. And, if I may continue for just a little longer ... here in Canberra, we have a "New Apprenticeship" scheme that allows senior high school students to combine work experience with their school, earning them both credit towards their Yr 12 certificates and a few dollars per hour. We have two such students come each Thursday to work with our ICT tekkie, but that is the day Dave doesn't come in till 10.30 because he is at Uni. Because they are based in the library, I saw them last week just sitting doing nothing at 8.50am, and I reminded them that Dave wasn't there till 10.30 so they needed to check with the ICT Co-ordinator for their work schedule. The response? "Oh, we will but we are waiting till 9.00 when we start getting paid." My response doesn't need to be repeated, but they skedaddled quicksmart. But where are we headed if that is the attitude we are instilling in our kids! Barbara Barbara Braxton Teacher Librarian Palmerston District Primary School PALMERSTON ACT 2913 AUSTRALIA T. 61 2 6205 6162 F. 61 2 6205 7242 E. barbara@iimetro.com.au W. http://www.palmdps.act.edu.au "Together we learn from each other." -------------------------------------------------------------------- All LM_NET postings are protected by copyright law. To change your LM_NET status, e-mail to: listserv@listserv.syr.edu In the message write EITHER: 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL 3) SET LM_NET MAIL 4) SET LM_NET DIGEST * Allow for confirmation. LM_NET Help & Information: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ Archive: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/archive/ EL-Announce with LM_NET Select: http://elann.biglist.com/sub/ LM_NET Supporters: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ven.html --------------------------------------------------------------------