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I'm also in a private school..... This is a mirror of my situation. Our library hours are 7:30 - 5:00 with a staff of 1.5 serving 650 students in the middle and upper school daily. We also "baby-sit" after school (my terms) between the hours of 3:30 - 5:00 for the lower school students who are not placed by their parents in the after school child care program---why pay, when you can send your kids to the MS / US Library for free and the librarian can watch them run up and down the stairs all afternoon until you arrive to pick them up at 5:00 (if even at that time). In the meantime, we also get about 30 students in the afternoon from the MS / US who hang out until their ride comes--most leave around 4:30 but several hang out and just play games on the computers until then. (We have a no-games AUP, but that isn't enforced...so I'm tired of policing it.) There are no activities that can be planned for students in the library after school primarily because of the limited staff--- you can't watch lower school students who play on the staircases while you direct an organized program, watch the circulation desk, keep kids from getting rowdy at the computers (as they play games that they aren't allowed to play, but do), and keep kids from going behind the circulation desk to use the telephone without your permission (often calling friends to talk). Based upon the activities that happen each day, it's impossible to know who might be there and what emergencies / assignments are due for those who truly need help. It's a circus atmosphere at times because the students think this is a "hang out" and most of the adults have left the campus after 4:00 p.m. There are very few teachers in the buildings and the administration building is locked (the closest bathroom available to the library is in another building--the administration building--which requires the librarians to leave the library to go there....so you don't want to leave the library after 3:30 to visit the bathroom while you have students in the library!) We have club sponsors for activities after school but the teachers are on an 8:30 - 3:30 contract. Anything after 3:30 is a negotiable contract salary. I'm not aware of the amount that is paid for specific duties because I have not been involved in anything outside of the library. I was asked by a group of high school girls last year if I would be their dance coach (I taught cheer / dance for 8 years in the public schools). I asked the administration if I could do this (so that I could be involved with the students in an activity that was not "library-related" and become involved in other areas of the school), but I was discouraged from doing this---not once but four times. Finally, the girls decided to go ahead with their dance team without me---it was disappointing. I have tried to start a book club for middle school students, but the scheduling hasn't allowed it. [In fact, the scheduling for the library is done primarily by the administration in that we follow the daily schedule--as most libraries-- but are limited in what we might be able to do before and after school because of other activities imposed upon us. This year we have a tutorial period before school begins for our high school students. It starts at 8:30 and goes until 9:30. The students are not allowed in the buildings during this time, so the only place to go is the library.... The first class period for high school students starts at 9:30 (and school ends at 3:30). The problem is that the middle school starts at 8:30, so we have students arriving between 7:30 - 8:00 a.m.---and by 9:30 we can have up to 80+ students in the library. Our middle school students can't even come into the library for a class because the T-period overlaps their regular class time (8:30 - 9:15). It's crowd control with the high school students....everyone is talking and no one is studying. Next year, the middle school teachers want to do the same thing---create a tutorial period---which will create an influx of more students without anywhere to go. I'm afraid that the library will become a "holding cell" for 100+ students and not be a library. Yes, I inquired about the situation last year before all of this was implemented this year...I was told that it wouldn't be a problem.] So, I guess my response to your question is....we are told to do something because it is "good for the kids." (?) Shonda Brisco, MLIS Trinity Valley MS / US Librarian Trinity Valley School Fort Worth, TX 76132 817-321-0100 ext. 410 briscos@trinityvalleyschool.org "Those who have the highest expectations for the web in terms of student research, are those who work with it, and students, the least." -- LM_NET librarian ________________________________ From: School Library Media & Network Communications on behalf of Jennifer England Sent: Wed 3/30/2005 12:59 PM To: LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU Subject: [LM_NET] TARGET: Policies on After School Activities? Greetings, I am trying to gather information concerning life in other schools after school. Please answer either or both. Yes, there have been serious issues at my school all along, but new ones have come up. I'll expound in a bit, but first, the questions. 1) What is your school's or library's policy concerning students in the library after school? 2) What are your school's policies/procedures for having teachers sponsor or teach activities or clubs after school? Specifically, are there formal contracts for these activities or are you just told to do something because it would "be a good activity for the kids"? Here's the background: This is my first year at a PreK-12, private "college preparatory" school. I am the ONLY librarian/library staff for TWO libraries, 850 students plus faculty. During the week, I teach weekly PreK-4th grade classes.. After adventures in the Lower School Library, I go to the Middle/Upper School library, which for many years has been the traditional "hangout" place for middle/upper schoolers while they are waiting to be picked up. There has never been an after school program for the middle school (which I am working to change) so the administration have had a difficult time in accepting that this needs to change and soon. Therefore, question 1. I ask question 2 because I have been sponsoring/teaching an after school book group/independent study for 4th graders with another teacher. The other teacher is a middle school teacher and we meet in her classroom. When I agreed to do this, I was initially told that I would receive a stipend but was then later told that they wouldn't give me a stipend because I am contractually obligated to work until 5pm already, and they cannot pay me twice for the same period of time. The other teacher, on the other hand, has been receiving a stipend because, as a classroom teacher, her contract says that she is only obligated to stay every day until 4pm. I agreed to it anyhow because it sounded worthwhile and, in my first year, didn't want to rock the boat too much. But still.to me, it was an additional activity, asked of me by the school and therefore it should not be looked at as a question of hourly work but of extra work. I'm not in it for the money, but am interested in fair compensation for performing extra work. I'm thinking about next year-whether or not I should bother to do this activity again as well as how much of an issue I should make of it. What do YOU think? I will post a hit with the info I gather. Thank you SO much! Jennifer England Librarian Heritage Hall School Oklahoma City, OK jengland@heritagehall.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- All LM_NET postings are protected by copyright law. To change your LM_NET status, e-mail to: listserv@listserv.syr.edu In the message write EITHER: 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL 3) SET LM_NET MAIL 4) SET LM_NET DIGEST * Allow for confirmation. 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