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Thank you for all of the excellent input! Below is my original question, followed by the wonderful responses. Susan McCaffrey, Library Media Specialist and District Coordinator East Grand Rapids Public Schools East Grand Rapids, MI smccaffr@egrps.org Question: I am the new media specialist at a high school that has two 1-hour lunch periods. It is an open campus, so many of the nearly 1000 students leave for lunch, but there are still many who stay around. Although the media center is also scheduled with classes during lunch, there are enough other students who come in and sometimes the atmosphere gets very, uh, unacademic. Although the student handbook states that computers are for "educational purposes only", this has not been enforced and there is a lot of game-playing, emailing, blogging, chatroom, etc. >>I am interested in learning how other schools handle this, especially if you have >long lunch periods. If you do not allow games, how is it enforced and what are >the consequences for students who ignore it? If you DO allow games, how do you >not allow it to get out of hand? I have received my principal's complete support >in making the media center a no-game area, but how can I achieve this without >being the "mean librarian"? *------------------------------------ Responses: We have many game sites blocked via our filter, all games that come withthe computers are deleted, and students if caught are given one warning.After that their computer privileges are denied for 9 weeks (if theyhave a computer class they automatically fail). This comes down fromadministration as befits our board policy and the enforcer rarely had aproblem. All this was spelled out in the handbook students and parentsmust sign, is covered on morning announcements, and at class meetings. -------------------------------------------------------------Our district policy is that the school computers are to be used for schoolrelated work only. I introduce this in my 9th grade orientation andreinforce it constantly for the first few weeks. In the orientation I explain that learning this concept (school computers =school work only) is really a job skills. Once you get out in the workingworld, your employers is going to expect you to be WORKING on theircomputers, not playing, and such behavior may get you fired in the realworld. Here in library land - I just boot them off the computer and make a reallynoisy big deal about it. Funny, I only have to do this act a couple oftimes for the behavior to extinguish itself. I also have the "Schoolrelated work only - no games, chat email or IM" posted on all the computersand on several bulletin boards so that if I get a new student who hasn'tgotten the orientation pitch I can gently point it out to them. If we have repeat offended they get a discipline referral and I usuallysuggest a period of time that they are not allowed to be on any schoolcomputer as a punishment. Admin has been terrific in backing me up on this! Having rules doesn't make you a mean librarian! You post them andconsistently enforce them. You could create a handout for students as theycome in to make sure they know what is expected of them. You can limit thenumber of students who come in at lunch that are not with a class. You canprohibit non-class students from using the computers at all. That way, youwon't have to monitor to make sure they are not playing games. If theydon't follow the rules, they lose their internet privileges in the library,period. The time frame for loss of priviledges would be up to you, but Iwould make it at least one grading period or even a semester. Studentssending e-mail and blogging could put your school in lawsuit land due tocontent, etc. That might be something you want to talk to your principalabout. Does your district have a District Internet Usage Policy? If not,it should. That way, you're just following the rules, yourself. You can provide them with chess and checkers sets. I find them at dollarstores for2 or 3 dollars. I have an ongoing puzzle, 500-1000 pieces thatstudents like to work on. They can read magazines and of course, books! If you don't set some boundaries, you won't like your job and you'll gonuts, in my opinion! Just set reasonable rules and enforce themefficiently. You don't have to be mean about it. And DON'T give themsecond chances. They will look upon that as being "manipulatable" and youdon't want that. You can do your job well, have students like you, andstill have rules. Every student is not going to like you, that's just howit is. Choose your battles. :) Our school has gone to NO games, NO e-mail, NO instant messaging, NO cell phones. Too many problems with bullies and other things happening during the day. First offense is 2 hours detention. Second offense is Saturday School.---------------------------------------------------- One step is to get the online sites blocked and the games included on the computers removed. That makes gaming a little more difficult. Our policy is a responsible use policy...violation of it results in the removal of computer priviledges for 20 school days. The second violation is a 60 school day loss and the third, loss for the remainder of the school year. We don't allow games. We have filters that block game sites. If achild bypasses the filtering, I just ask them to log off. There ishardly any problem here once word spreads that it's not allowed. Goodluck! Susan - Our computers blcok student e-mail during the day. Whether or not you would want to block game sites..... I had this same situation in my previous school. I told the kids that the computers were available only for students doing homework. If they are playing games they are taking up space for someone who NEEDS to work. It still takes a lot of supervision, but if I asked them more than once they couldn't come back for two weeks. If you need a way to keep track of who was at which machine you could have them sign up as they come in, e.g. Computer #1- Frank L. I knew of a school that required the student put his/her ID card on the monitor. If they're goofing around you can walk by and take it then they have to pick it up from an administrator. You could make two older model machine available for email, that way kids have a place to check their mail. We have a filtering system on our district servers that filter outthings like games, e-mailing, chatrooms, etc. It is not allowed on anyschool computer. Occasionally, we have students that get around thefilter, but they are usually caught. Our district wide acceptable use policy for technology states that there isno personal email, no non-educational games, no chat rooms, etc. These sitesare actually blocked by our filter. We have 983 students and two lunchperiods. Students are encouraged to come into the library at their lunchtime to read, study, or they can get on a computer. Classes have first priority and I tell that to the freshmen each year atorientation. If they cannot be quiet and respect those other classes inhere, they are asked to leave. Classes have first option at computers, too.I tell them that this is a place to study, to read, to learn and that iswhat has the priority in the library. If computers are not busy, they are welcome to use them. If I see studentson a game site, they are reminded of the district policy towards games (iteats our bandwidth and knocks some of our other campuses off their computeruse). I then go into the history of that computer after the student leaves,get the website and send it to our technology people to block the site. Mostall outside email sites are already blocked. Students must come to the circulation desk to 'check out a computer.' Wegive them a small card that we have laminated with the computer number and abarcode. They Velcro the card to the computer. We know it is in use if thatstudent leaves to find a book, get a pen or pencil, pick up a print job,etc. and can't just be 'taken' by another student. We have 25 computers for student use. On days when I don't have a class in the library students can come in to the library as long as they come at the beginning of their lunch period and don't leave till it ends. If I have a class I put up a red flag that says closed and they know they can't come in without a pass from me or from my assistant. If they want to be sure to come to the library during their lunch time, they need to come to see me or my assistant either before school or the day before and get a pass. That way I can discuss with them what they plan to do in the library. This way I can screen out students who are likely to chat or cause any disruption to my class. If I need computers for my class that period, I will warn them that while they can come in, they can't use the computers. The pass entitles them to come into the library at any time during their lunch period and they can leave before their lunchtime is over. It might be good if your school, or school system had a policy about what is and is not allowed. We have ours on a handout that must be signed by students and their parents if they want to use computers in the school. Personally I don't have any problem with them playing games or looking at fun sites as long as the sites are not pornographic or violent. Our school system's policy is that they can't use email unless it is for school purposes. Our school system has a fire wall that blocks out instant messaging. I also tell them to close down the Live Journal and blogging sites if I see them. Hope this helps. While I don't have the long lunch hour that you do, the students in this schoolstill try the same things -- games, chatrooms, etc. Our school uses "Vision"software, a package put out by Alteres, I think, that allows you to see what ison an individual computer screen. I can see addresses but can't see the wholescreen unless I purposefully click on it. I have options if I see someone on agame or chatroom or whatever -- I can blank out his/her screen, turn thecomputer all the way off, take over the screen, etc. This has proven veryeffective. The word will get out very quickly that you're serious about theschool-use-only rule and students will find other things to do. You'll alwayshave a few -- I've been here 3 years with laptops, had the same rules for allthat time and still had to shut down several kids today. I don't spend a lot oftime monitoring them, but the fact that it's a possibility is enough for somestudents. Our policy is:No GamesNo EmailNo ChatroomsNo Downloading of ProgramsNo Internet MusicEducational Use Only We have these notices posted in the library and throughout the school. Students lose computer privileges when these rules are not obeyed. I'm afraid no matter what you do, you'll be the "mean librarian." I'm alibrary media specialist at the middle school level (600 students each).We are really strict at the two schools where I work. The kids aregiven one warning to get off the games, email, etc. The next time theyuse the computers for fun and games, they are off the computers totallyfor a month. If it happens again, it is the entire year. We are luckythat in one school the consequence pertains to all the computers in theentire building. At the other school, it is only the computers in thelibrary / computer labs. It all depends on your administration. If the AUP specifically states how the computers are to be used and howthey are not, the students need to follow that. Check to see if thereis any consequence written into that statement. If so, use that asadded ammunition if there is a complaint. Hope this helps a bit. ----------------------------------------- In order to enforce the education only use of computers, our school has the following policy--students may use the computers in the library only if they have a pass written by the teacher who assigned the research/paper/etc. Study hall teachers may not send students to "use" the computers. The only way a student gets on a computer is if they have it in writing that they have an actual assignment. If a student comes into the library and is not working on the assignment, he/she is sent immediately to wherever he/she came from and the teacher who wrote the pass is notified that the student obviously didn't need time in the library to complete the assignment. Question: Are you worried about being the "mean" librarian? If so, I believe that you'll have a problem with students being "unacademic" in the library. If you don't say what you mean and mean what you say, the kids will figure that out in about two minutes and try to push you around forever. You can enforce rules without being mean. Hi, I have been a very techie Librarian for over 20 years. I had computers in the Library with email back when it was both DOS through DELPHI (and Knowledge Network for databases) to those funky late 80's Prodigy and AOL Programs through all the various windows formats. Back in the early 1990's I did allow limited email until the school put through a technology policy which it sounds is similar to yours. It states computers are to be used for EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES and until last year stated NO EMAIL or CHAT. So, even when I had a network of NON-INTERNET Computers (since 1993, utilizing CD Server with all sorts of Informational CDs) and had on the side two Telephone Internet PCs, I had to establish rules. I told all the students that with our H.S. of 1200 to 1300 students, and with our long lunch waves (we have block scheduling so we let students come in for up to 1 hour), there are a lot of students who need to do academic work. So, first Classes get priority. Then if there are no classes, then students may use the computers for word processing, powerpoint, computer art projects or other appropriate uses including research but they must sign in (I ask them to sign a computer sign in sheet and have a column for subject of internet research or use). I can then use the sign in to document computer use/traffic and use the subjects to know what sort of databases or subjects are the heavier users of the computers. I have told the students having the sign in sheets allows me to justify the Computers in my budget requests for upgrades and for supplies and for online database purchases. ALSO, I tell them that even though it is THEIR LUNCH, it is still the ACADEMIC DAY for the rest of the school including the Library Media Center. And since the school computers are for Educational Use, then during the academic day, the computers will only be used for academics. Our school Library is open from 7 a.m. to 3 p.m., but our Academic school day starts at 7:27 and ends at 1:54, so, before or after the academic day is the ONLY TIME the computers may be used for any games. And as for the email, no email is allowed unless it is for an academic purpose (such as requesting information, a specific teacher project requiring email such as french or spanish or german pen pals, emailing their information between home and school to print out at school or to a teacher's mailbox, or college applications) AND THEY MUST LET THE LIBRARY STAFF KNOW BEFORE THEY OPEN and USE ANY EMAIL, that they need to do it for the specific academic reason. Most students accept this without a problem. Those that have had problems with this, then, after one or two warnings, they lose their PRIVILEGE of BEING IN THE LIBRARY or LIBRARY COMPUTER AREA (initially or 1st offense is 2 weeks or 10 academic days, 2nd offense is 3 weeks or 15 academic days, 3rd offense is 4 weeks or 20 academic days, 4th offense is for the remainder of the semester or school year). Also until last year, our internet policy specified NO EMAIL, so we had to turn their names over to the Computer Coordinator who cut off their internet access through their network login. (Each student has a unique login on our school intranet). This year, they softened up that to say "no inappropriate communications". I have also worked with counselors and parents when their have been problems. I found some of our Minority students from other countries tended to ignore our directives, sometimes "playing the 'I no understand' card" which our ESL teacher later helped determine was just a game with some of the students. Especially when it came to CHAT, which is a definite no-no. (I caught one of our Pakistani students instant messaging with 4 or 5 people from who knows where in her own language. She denied that she was, trying to shrink the windows and thinking I wouldn't know.) Our district has the policy against the PERSONAL EMAIL AND CHAT for safety and security reasons. Liability of school for teens who might inadvertantly communicate with someone who might do them harm is a definite reason why our school does not allow these. I explain to the students, if they question it, that our school district has the rule against PERSONAL EMAIL in order to protect them and for their own safety that they should only do email from their home computers and with their parents permission (We know half of these kids don't have adult supervison on their home computer use, but that is the parents responsibility.). We have had complete support of the administration (and I have had 6 principles and 4 assistant principles in the past 6 years and all have been very supportive in the name of safety and liability). Good luck. And while you may think about you as a mean Librarian, don't worry about it. At least they will know you care for their safety. And it is amazing what they will say about you 10 years down the road. For example, 10-12 years ago, some students nick-named me "Conan the Librarian" (it was common knowledge among the students at our school which at the time was between 1100 and 1200 students. I even had "behavior contracts" that I created with two or three students per year in order for them to be able to come to the Library after their 3rd or 4th time being kicked out for behavior problems. One of those students, actually, he was my first WRITTEN BEHAVIOR CONTRACT student who graduated in 1995, came back to visit, he had the biggest chip on his shoulder when he was here. He now said that I was one of the few teachers who didn't let him get away with things and made him accountable and he realizes that is why he is where he is now (making 6 figures and owning time shares and doing extremely well). Then this summer, while I was at a training workshop for CAPTURING KIDS HEARTS with about 6 other schools, one of the other teachers who is in his late 20s, said he went to college with a bunch of kids from Rockville HS. The next day he came in and said he had called them and asked them about their librarian and they told him that I was "COOL!". So, even though I was tough, they now view it very differently. I am at a middle school and our lunch time is 48 minutes. I am a single staff person, our library max. for the size of the room is 75 but since I manage the library alone I close the doors at between 34 to 45 students. Students on the computers must be doing school related work. We have a monitoring program called NetOP and have the ability to see what students are doing on the computes from my desk computer at the check-out desk. Keyboards can be locked when students are using the computers for inappropriate work per our library guidelines. I then ask student to get up from the computer at the time. Each student has their own USERNAME & PASSWORD. If they share that, I can LOG OFF both students and they are asked to get up from the computer. I explain the rules and let them know that if they can not follow the rules they risk the possibality of losing their computer privilages in the library. We had all the games taken off the computers (the games that come withthe computer) and many of the game sites are blocked. When I see astudent playing a game on the computer I tell them that they need toclose it down. I also have a "Computer Rules" beside each computer. Save your documents on the M drive Classes have priority at the computers No game playing. No chatrooms. No downloading. No headsets plugged into the computer. No on-line radio stations. No food or open cans of beverages on the computer tables. This year there is no pop allowed in the school. Students are allowedto drink water in the classrooms, as long as it was purchased here atthe school. The water bottle has the school name and address on it. Because we are a small school and only have 1/2 hour lunches and many ofour students are 1/2 day students, they go back to their home school fortheir academic classes I don't have that many students coming to thelibrary during the lunch time. They are told that they are to be quiet,abide by the rules. If the students get a little loud they are asked toleave. I tell them I'll see them tomorrow or in some cases on Monday. I would also have other games for them: Chess, Boggle (I put craft felton the in-side of the cover to deaden the noise), Scrabble to name afew. I've also put out jig saw puzzles. When I find a good deal on puzzles Ipurchase two, usually the 500 piece ones, so that if someone would takea piece I have a back-up puzzle. ------------------------------------------------Our high school has a no game policy for computers in school too. They are academic resources, and in limited supply. Band width is used up by these games and things slow down a lot when the high graphic games are used. Reminding kids that they are in an academic building and that the materials purchased by your school district are there to further their education does not make you the mean librarian. It makes you concerned about their education and the access of all children to information they need to further there education in a timely manner. IE: enforce the no game rule and get over being popular. Our computers are all networked and filtered. Computer games, chatting, e-mail (like hotmail), blogging are pretty much filtered and blocked by the server. Every once in a while things will slip through, but more often than not those items are blocked. Our kids and their parents also have to sign a computer access permission form that makes it clear that non-academic uses of the computer could result in loss of computer privileges. I don't think you would be out of line by enforcing rules against chatting, games, etc. I tend to be more lenient with computer usage at lunch, but I still tell kids they have to abide by policy and they can lose their network privileges. --------------------------------------------------------------I am also at a high school although we do not have as long a lunch as you.We do not allow games during school hours. We do a freshman orientation tothe media center and go over computer usage with all freshmen, so they knowfrom the beginning that games are not allowed. However, there will alwaysbe students who come in, sit down, and start playing a game. We usuallyjust remind the student that games are not allowed. We are not quiet aboutit, we will just announce out loud "Remember, No games." That serves as areminder to everyone. After school, we don't worry about it unless we havestudents who need to work and can't get to a computer. In the morning it'snot a problem because the students who have work to do get there early andhave all the computers. I don't think you will be seen as the mean mediaspecialist if you keep your tone friendly. You can also ask your teachersto remind students. If you have a morning report or announcements, put itthere also. Before long the message will get out and you will just have toremind the "forgetful" student. I sympathesize with your dilemma. Our students have 40 minute lunch and class periods. It is very easy within this short amount of time to do whatever the students want to on the computer. The Internet is a wonderful technological tool, but can get out of hand. It is also not easy to be a nice librarian while enforcing the rules. I do have an additional teacher who is technically watching the study students, but, they do not really watch as I would to restrict the computer games. My district has a no game policy as well. I have worked hard to enforce this policy, but it does take some policing of the students. I have 20 computers which are used first for classes, next for study and lunch students. Over the years, the policy of no game playing was not strictly enforced, but when I took over as Media Specialist, I made it my mission to begin to have the students use the computers for other purposes. First, I have the students sign in to use a computer and reminded the students that they had to use the computer for school assignments or research. But, then, how do you stop them from reading an online newspaper for sports or checking on the scores? That became permissible because there is an advantage to have the students "read." If they do email, they are supposed to use it to open assignments that they have emailed to themselves. But, truthfully, this, too, is one of those issues that I allow just to avoid the games. Second, I typed up the library polic y for students which includes acceptable behavior and computer use. The students sign it and are told to be sure they will comply with the rules and regulations. This way, it is no surprise when they are told not to watch videos or play games. To date, this has worked very well. I do tire of those needless and nasty conversations with students who did not know the rules. Today, I had one student listening to music which they are not to do and another who was watching a video. Neither student was nasty when I reminded them of the rules. If a student misuses the computer, they will be asked to leave the computer and will not be allowed to use it for one week, then on the second offense, two weeks, and on the third offense, they will be asked to stay out of the library for a month. These regulations could be constructed to fit your situation. I have to admit, last year, I begin to feel too much like a police. I had a trial to NetOp which allowed me to view everyone's computer on mine and I could see who was playing games or which sites the students went to. I became too stressed during this period and took on a different strategy this year. Our district couldn't afford NetOp at this time anyway. At research times, too many students truly need computers to do their assignments and I would ask a student who was just surfing the net to leave and allow the other students to use the computer. It is possible to maintain an academic atmosphere in the library. I am in favor of creating a space for students who need to study. Good luck in your mission!Barbara This year I have tried again, thinking maybe they learned their lesson from having the games eliminated. Starting tomorrow there is again no games. It is just too much hassle. The students do not get that they are being given a privilege to be allowed to play any games. I am tired of the arguing and pushing the limit of playing other than approved games. You just need to post signs around the computers that NO games are allowed. Our district filters the web hosting sites like earthlink and hotmail so students can't access their email at school. Blogging and chatrooms can get through the filter, but I have not had too much trouble with these. My consequence if a student is using the computers inappropriately is one week suspension from the computers. I have to catch them at it, and they can be very sneaky, but it usually only takes one or two oblivious students who don't realize I am near and get suspended to teach all not to push me. If they are caught again they get a referral because it then becomes insubordination and that is a bigger issue that the deans want to deal with. Just be consistent and the students will adjust. My high school does not have long lunch periods, they are 45 minuteslong, though. We have approximately 2275 students at the school. The libraryis open to most any student during the day but we do make students who havea study (freshman and sophomores) have a pass to be in the library. Withthat said, I also have 28 computers in the library. Our school district hasa pretty strict acceptable use policy that states the computers are only tobe used for academic purposes. If we see a student playing a game on acomputer, we ask the student to stop. If the student is cooperative, wedon't do anything more. Most of the time this is all it takes. Sometimes,though, they are habitual computer game players. Then we make them get offthe computer. If they really push it with us, we give their name to theirassistant principal and they can get detention. We also have had to tellstudents they cannot use a computer in the library. That happens veryrarely, though. Also, our AUP doesn't allow students to do email; in fact,the computers have most all email programs blocked. We are a middle school, however, last year's game playing and foolingaround with computer setting, IM-ing, etc. got out of hand as well. Thelocal private high school that we feed into used a computer monitoringprogram called "Vision" by Altiris, which we just installed earlier thismonth. It displays all the computer screens at the circulation desk.At library orientation, I explained to everyone that (just like theadults working at the school), they should not assume that they had anyprivacy when using school computers, especially in the library, and thatthe library computers were for school work only. Amen. I told themthat the appearance of any games, Instant Messaging windows, etc. ontheir screens would cause their computer to shut down (we control itfrom the desk). I also reminded them that we have plenty of theirparents volunteering so personal, non-school related messages mightembarrass them as well as their parents, or other students' parents....It works fairly well. There are always those who must push theenvelope, however. Now I don't feel that I have to sneak up behind themand catch them in the act. It's the policy that shuts them down, not"mean" me. Good luck. Hi, I allow my students to do whatever they like during lunch, before school andafter school. It is their free time and I think these other computer activitiescan be educational and beneficial for them too. They play the games and dothese activities quietly. I would not want to have to monitor all the sites and"ride" the students about it. During the rest of the day or when there is astudent waiting to use a computer for a school assignment this takes priorityover games & e-mail. I'm a solo librarian at a 9 - 12 high school. How many responsible adults that can apply consequencesare with you during lunch? My take is - to enforce no gaming,someone needs to assume the "bad cop" role till the behavior changes.I thinks students will go along with the changes as long asthere is no way around it - and as long as the rules areuniformly enforced. You're going to be a mean librarian for a while no matterwhat you do. As long as your boss will back you up,try something (detentions, after a first warning, for example). We also have a "educational use only policy" and do not allow games, e-mail, chats, blogging. When they grump about game playing, etc. I usually respond with "Our computers aren't the newest or the fastest and we need to make sure that they are only being used for school purposes." In the past, during lunch, we would be inundated with students looking for a place to "hang out" until we instituted the following policy: Students must now have a pass from an administrator to use the media center at lunch and they need to be doing schoolwork or checking out a book. Our administrators monitor the lunchroom and commons area during lunch and are easy to find. They know that they need to ask the students their purpose for using the media center. This means that every student in the media center comes in with a pass and something I can hold them accountable for. When they grump at me, I usually respond with "I need to know who's in here at any one time" or "I need to know who's here from a class and who's here from lunch". It took a little training for my administrators but now they are on board with me and it's been nice. Sometimes I do feel like a "meanie" for sending students to get a pass when they say they just need to print something but it's a slippery slope and I found it easiest to just require it for everyone. At first I thought a teacher pass might suffice, but teachers were writing passes without questioning the students or writing "permanent" passes which just led to trouble. This might not work for you but thought I'd share my situation. -----------------------------------------We filter games and do not allow student email. As far as students inthe library during lunch, I found that unless a student came in with aspecific assignment, their purpose was "social" in nature. To that end,I require a pass from the teacher assigning the work for a student tocome to the library during their lunch period. I don't do the lunch thing at my school, but I have study hall students who come in to use the library, which basically still means "free" time for them. I do not allow games on my computers. My feeling is that if I allowed games, that is all that would happen, and I would be an arcade room supervisor, not a librarian. I don't think the district wants to pay my salary for that. I have posted on each computer no games. It is also in the student handbook, along with all the other library rules. Students are responsible for what is in the handbook, they sign for it at registration. That signature covers the "I didn't know" excuse. Another thing I think about. I'm not sure the taxpayers of my district would be very happy if they knew their hard earned taxes were being used to play computer games. If your principal is behind you, set the policy, post it, give general announcements, and then hand out detentions or whatever you do. Or you could set a policy of having to have "parental permission" to play games, and send a signature form home. That would probably get some people upset, and then they would make the board set a policy. Good luck.------------------------------------------------ Our server is set up to block most game sites and chatrooms. This makes it very easy for me. I had a similar situation when I first started a few years ago. What has helped has been a school wide (and this year, a district wide) policy of uniform rules - no computer games anywhere - in the library, computer lab, writing lab etc. and we enforce it by simply keeping on it. A list of rules are posted in each classroom and in the library - if a student violates these rules, they are shown the written rules that are posted - a reminder. If the violation continues they are asked to sign an accountability book and then the AP speaks with them. There are levels of severity depending on how resistent the student is to stopping the behavior. Each year it gets better. If it's a school wide policy, you are not being singled out as the "mean" librarian because the kids understand that these are the rules of the school. We only allow our students to use the computers for their schoolwork. Students that are caught doing other things, get one warning. After that they lose their computer privileges for a certain length of time.We do not have an open campus at lunch. So in your case, perhaps you can insist that students still sign in with their names and what they will be working on. If it is not school related, they need to go elsewhere. In our Student planner as part of the rules, Games, emailing,chatrooms and blogging are not allowed. Any site with games, chatrooms, email capability are bllcked by our filter. Everyone knows it and the staff supports it. Any student caught playing games is restricted from the library for 2 weeks (we are on a 4 block ABCD schedule - so it is really only one week). They can come with their teacher in a class and with a research pass from a teacher to do work. We have School center which many of the teachers use for their webpages. Several have links to games. This year I'm asking the teachers to give me educ game ites that I would like to have in a folder on the desktop of the library computers and get the sites unblocked. Do your students sign an acceptable use policy for the computers? Allof our students are required to sign one and it states that computersare to be used for academic purposes only. The consequences of playinggames, e-mailing, etc. is that the student is not allowed to access thecomputers at school any longer. This is one way to solve this problemwithout becoming "the mean librarian." "This is a school policy, not alibrary policy" and "it's not up to me; it was the school board whodecided on the policy" are two ways I explain it without being the badguy. ---------------------------------- The key word that our students understand is "zero tolerance" When I catch them doing something not permitted, I merely utter: We have a Zero Tolerance policy and ask them to leave the Media Center for the day. 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