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Dear Netters: Many thanks to everyone who responded. Virtually everyone agreed that keyboarding is a necessary skill; but I'm still left with the question of when and how it should be taught. I wish that I had some authoritative information about the most effective age for children to learn how to keyboard, how frequent the lessons should be and how many years should it be taught before it sticks. Here are the original responses: I think keyboarding is am important tool. I work in a library, have two sons in grades 4 and 7, and my opinion comes from that. Children need the basic skills, like keyboarding to help them function in this techno world. It is another skill that some students will have the burden of carrying but at the same time, opportunity is essential sometimes. Is it done in a fun teaching manor? My sons school taught them with a program called Ten Thumbs Typing Tutor. They are both proficient at the keyboard and computer. That is just a laymens opinion. Ten Thumbs Typing Tutor has a website here it is: http://www.tenthumbstypingtutor.com This reminds me of the parents who argued 10 years ago that we didn't need keyboarding lessons because all computers would be using voice recognition within 2 years. How much time do students spend correcting their work after hunting and pecking? We had one student who argued that he could hunt and peck as fast as the other 7th grade students doing standard keyboarding. Our computer teacher said, fine, I'll exempt you if you pass the test. He failed. As a parent and a teacher, I believe that keyboarding skills are really important. Hunting and pecking is a skill that once learned, is almost impossible to unlearn later. I would be very unhappy if my children were taught at school to hunt and peck, because I want them to learn to type properly. What may be good enough for grade 5's is not going to be good enough for someone in high school and university. It is a real disservice to introduce our children to bad habits that will follow them through life. As a mom of 5 kids who had keyboarding - I am always amazed at the speed they are able to do things on the computer - this is a direct result of keyboarding classes they had in wlwm. school. The 'hunt and peck' method will not help these students to be successful adults. Even small businesses use computers to keep track of inventory, do payrolls, schedule work hours, maintain customer records/addresses, do billing, etc....... It's like expecting a carpenter to hammer with out the hammer! Good luck! While I was doing my student teaching for my undergrad education degree, I met with the building's OT. One of her main concerns was that at the school where we were, they were using a program to teach keyboarding to students at grades 3-6. Her issue with this was that students at that age are still developing/working on their fine motor skills and teaching them keyboarding was too advanced for their ability level. I agree with her. I didn't learn keyboarding till 9th grade and did just fine. I think it would be okay to introduce keyboarding at an earlier age, however it shouldn't be a major component in the curriculum at such an early age. I think encouraging them to use proper techinque like sitting up straight while they use the computer, etc. would be more effective than the actual keyboarding lessons. This is just my opinion and what I have seen. I hope it helps some. Yes, keyboarding is important. It is NOT important for doing small searches on the internet--I mean hunt and peck works well for entering search terms. BUT, we are also asking students to type reports. What you are describing is NOT enough keyboard practice. To get good at typing, they should be practicing daily (we practice math and reading daily dont we?) for about 15 min a day. This should start in about grade 4. Are they also covering up the letters with stickers to help students to LEARN were to find the letters? Are they enforcing that fingers are sitting on the correct keys? By grade 6 they should have a 9 week daily 20 min keyboarding at the beginning of the year, as a refresher. UMMM, we give HS students who take typing an hour a day for 9 weeks, and expect them to reach 50wpm. What we are doing for the younger grades is a disservice is it is cut too short. I agree with the teacher, 3 months with 15 min per WEEK is not enough to warrant requiring the students to become efficient. And yes, I am having a heated discussion with MY teachers in middle school over this also. But many of the students are learning that I paid for college with typing skills. And since this is a low income, wont go to school if I dont pay for it myself community, several are picking up that they can learn to type and pay for college, and it is giving hope. I am a Career & Technology teacher in a high School. Students that hunt and peck will develop a habit that is impossible to break. When these type of students get to high school, it is impossible to break these bad habits. I truly believe that this is a disservice. Students are helped more by developing correct habits. This is a skill and like every skill once learned wrong; it is close to impossible to correct. I am new to my school this year, but I think I can offer an opinion based on this school's experience. Apparently, our primary students had been taught keyboarding skills. Then it was felt that is was not necessary. Now that those kids are in the middle school, the teachers are complaining that those same students are lacking some basic skills. So beginning this year, the lab teacher is incorporating keyboarding back into their lab time. At least once a week grades 3-5 are taking a few minutes to work on these skills. Yes being able to use a keyboard efficiently is an essential life skill, however this does not equate to being a touch typist. I insist our kids use two hands right from the start in Kindergarden. At least pointer finger of each hand and as soon as possible get them using their thumb for space bar and use of shift (not caps locks) for capitol letters. From there most kids pick up speed through use (composing at the keyboard) rather than with isolated skill practice. It is like many skills - things taught in isolation are not as meaningful as skills taught in the context of meaningful use. Yes introduce the concept of touch typing and provide opportunities for students to develop this skill, but don't expect isolated practice a few min. a week to transfer to "real life" applications. I was forced into touch typing (on a typewriter in high school) and it never took. I type effectively and efficiently, but I rely on primarily my thumbs, and first two fingers on each hand. I have written a dozen books and done all my own typing for example. I compose almost everything I write on the computer. What is important is to learn the location of keys (top, middle, or bottom row and left, middle or right). The more students are encouraged to compose at the keyboard the more they realize the need to be able to enter data/text efficiently and effectively. This makes the desire to enhance speed and accuracy and internalized drive, which leads to effective motivation. I think keyboarding is an absolute must for all students. This is especially true since many teachers are no longer teaching handwriting (if you can believe that). Hunt and peck is not good enough when there are methods for teaching this subject. I had two years of typing in high school and two years of shorthand. The shorthand was good mental training. The typing has been my most valuable subject. I've used it everyday of my life. Imagine the mess I'd be in if I didn't know how to type! Please be sure and post what you hear! This has been a conundrum for me as well. I recognize that teaching keyboarding to very small children is inappropriate. I also recognize that we can't wait until we can teach kids to type to let them at a computer keyboard. And, I also know that by hunting and pecking, we are allowing kids to develop bad habits that will inhibit their speed and accuracy later on, if we never take the time and effort to teach true keyboarding. (As a speed typist with and accuracy rate of 90 words a minute, I have been eternally grateful to the high school typing teacher who insisted I learn how to do this task properly, for the hours and hours she has saved me over the course of my life!) So, when and where and for whom do we insist on the acquisition of true keyboard skills? I would love to know! I think that you are correct, and your colleague is wrong, wrong, wrong! I still thank my junior high typing teacher. Touch typing is so much better than hunt and peck. Hunt and peck requires looking at the keyboard, thus wasting lots of time. Touch typing allows you to type while you constantly looking at the material being typed, or to think and type without having the hunt and peck get in the way. I think it is a very valuable skill. I disagree with your Gr.5 teacher, the hunt & peck is not the way to go. I agree that the refresher would be worth it, not sure about the amount of time. Personally, I feel that keyboarding is essential in a computer world. My daughters had keyboarding in 4th grade, I think, for 6 weeks in the 1980's). It is amazing how that little bit of time shaped their ability to type, a skill they have used during both college, work and play. Our school district discontinued this requirement thinking students would pick it up at some time during their school years, but it is not happening. And no, "hunt and peck" is never efficient. As a business educator for 19 years, I feel that trying to teach children as young as grades 3-5 correct keyboarding skills is a waste of time. At this age, it is OK to hunt and peck. It is not until at least grade 6 that most have large enough hands and the physical dexterity to manipulate the keyboard properly. Keyboarding instruction usually includes much more than just learning the correct placement of the keys and being able to type without looking at the keyboard. It includes grammar and punctuation, composition skills, speed and accuracy in keying, etc. Our school system offers a year of keyboarding as a prerequisite for taking computer classes at the high school level. This became a requirement after we found that students were taking high school computer classes and could not complete the amount of work required because their keyboarding skills were below par. This has solved the problem. It is offered beginning at grade 9. So sorry to wait so long in responding. I teach technology at the middle school level and find that keyboarding skills are essential. My entire 9-week curriculum with sixth-graders is devoted mostly to keyboarding because we do not have enough time and space to teach at the elementaries. It really should be started at least in third grade in my opinion, when they really start learning how to use words and writing much more. Last year most of my sixth-graders had to spend five weeks struggling to get rid of their bad habits before the good habits begin. Once that happens, those who want to learn will improve. Those that refuse to get rid of the bad habits will always be key hunters. I started my son in second grade with home row. He is now, as a sixth grade, more confident in his computer skills, more apt to spend time researching, and more likely to finish his assignments in less than an hour (compared with those who are hunting or handwriting). I consider this a plus! In addition, my 8th graders who learned keyboarding in time can complete almost EVERYTHING more quickly if it involves a computer. I think you are right. Your young children need to learn how to keyboard before the bad habits are part of their lives. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Please note: All LM_NET postings are protected by copyright law. You can prevent most e-mail filters from deleting LM_NET postings by adding LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU to your e-mail address book. 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