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Thank you all very much for your help with deciding the age of my collection by making sure all books had copyright days. There were several who asked for a hit so here it is. Thank you again to all who responded. You really helped me out a lot. Geri I always go with the newest date. Yes, the story is old, but the copy of the book I have in my "hot little hannies" is newer. At the U of I, we were taught to always use the copyright date of the book in hand. Reprints often, but not always, include updated information and correction of mistakes. I would encourage using the latest copyright date. Some dictionaries and encyclopedias have original dates that are quite old, but the reprinted version is the latest corrected and up-to-date version. I was taught to use the most recent COPYRIGHT date, which is most likely somewhat older than the most recent PRINTING date. Unless you have a very small collection, having a couple of "old" books isn't going to create much of a problem. If your system is capable of giving you the information, you might be able to print a report of all titles that are over a certain age. You can then look at those and see if they ought to be weeded. I don't know if this will help, but I think you're supposed to put both the copyright date and the publication date into the record. Both would go in the same field in the MARC record, but the copyright date would have a "c" in front of it. So, in the example you gave, it would be 1981, c1937. I don't know what kind of implications this would have for the report your trying to get about the average copyright date... since I don' t know how your computer program would read that information, and which one it would decide to pull. You need to find out how your software computes the average age. Remember, you can have more than one date in the 250c (e.g., 1989, c1937) so if it computes based on the first number, you are good as it indicates the age of the =binding= more than the age of the content. However, calculating an overall average age of the copyright date of the collection is basically a meaningless number. What is the "date" of Socrates, for example? Is it inappropriately out of date because it is over 2000 years old? Of course not. Putting 100 BC on the work though would certainly mess up your average date. Consider doing a date average only on materials where it matters: reference, science, geography, current history. Leave the rest alone. The number is meaningless. You would use the reprint date as the correct age of the book in hand; however, there is an area within the MARC record where you can record the original date of publication, if you want to add that also. (I can't remember that MARC field right now, but if you need it, I'll check.) I went through that process too. I had a person cataloging who didn't have any experience (no classes) and she had our collection dating in the 1940's when in reality the age was more likely 1980. She used the original copyright of everything, including Shakespeare's works---which she guestimated! It took a year to get things "almost" straightened up--but it was a full-time job! I think it is more important that you average copyright dates by subject areas. For many areas, folk and fairy tales, fiction, that is not so important. What I learned many years ago is that it is the edition that is important. Listing screeds of reprints in the imprint is just bragging that the book is popular. That's what I teach my students. don't know if this will help, but I think you're supposed to put both the copyright date and the publication date into the record. Both would go in the same field in the MARC record, but the copyright date would have a "c" in front of it. So, in the example you gave, it would be 1981, c1937. I don't know what kind of implications this would have for the report your trying to get about the average copyright date... since I don' t know how your computer program would read that information, and which one it would decide to pull. I think it is more important that you average copyright dates by subject areas. For many areas, folk and fairy tales, fiction, that is not so important. Here is what OCLC says about dates and reprints. Scroll down to the 260 tag. Hope this helps. http://www.oclc.org/bibformats/en/2xx/260.shtm you need to use the copyright date. That refers to date of the information.. which is the important thing I, for one, am glad that you asked this question. I am not sure either. I use the new date if the nonfiction book has been revised. My state has had us "count" the 500s to determine average age in various year spans for about three years in a row and now we are on to the 600s. Geri Hough, Librarian Clinton High School Clinton, OK 73601 ghough@clinton.k12.ok.us -------------------------------------------------------------------- Please note: All LM_NET postings are protected by copyright law. You can prevent most e-mail filters from deleting LM_NET postings by adding LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU to your e-mail address book. To change your LM_NET status, e-mail to: listserv@listserv.syr.edu In the message write EITHER: 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL 3) SET LM_NET MAIL 4) SET LM_NET DIGEST * Allow for confirmation. * LM_NET Help & Information: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ * LM_NET Archive: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/archive/ * EL-Announce with LM_NET Select: http://elann.biglist.com/sub/ * LM_NET Supporters: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ven.html --------------------------------------------------------------------