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Thank you to all who responded. As a first time L_MNETer I am very appreciative of the vast knowledge base here. Below is the collection of responses I received. Chris Bohne Media Specialist Adlai E. Stevenson II Elementary Bloomington, Illinois bohnec@district87.org I am a Media Specialist in a K-5 Elementary. We house the ESL program for our district. We have a lab of emacs. Currently students save work to a folder on a shared volume on the server. Students are not required to use a log in or password to access applications. There are concerns about the safety of student work. Students could theoretically could trash work at any time. My questions: Do you work in a K-5 lab where students use logins and passwords? If so at what grade level do you introduce this? Do you have any suggestions for how best to implement this? Has anyone tried to implement this and decided it did not work? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------ We have log ins (first initial and last name) for all our 2nd grade and up students. A few kids have a problem but most get it quickly. A suggestion: take a name card and have kids write down their log in name on it. Give it out to any student who needs it. In our K-5 elementary, the third, fourth and fifth grade students definitely use their own server space to save work. Each student has his/her own user id and password. The user id's are quite long: grad.yearlastnamefirstnamemiddleinitial. So, if I were a student graduating in 2015, my user id would be 2015fisherbetties. I thought the students were going to have a hard time with this, but they don't at all. Now, since I teach the 2nd and 1st graders, I'm deciding when to introduce saving to the server and thinking I'll probably do it in the next couple of months. I think the second graders will do just fine and, with a little more time and help, I'm betting the 1st graders will do just fine, too. Everyone in our school uses logins and passwords to use computers pre- k-12-staff. When elem. students are just searching the OPAC, (they start this in second grade, and I allow it up until 5th) I do let just the first one on each computer in each class log in and then the next one can go on and do a search without logging out which requires a restart, since the teacher and I are both there watching what's going on and would notice anything else being on the screens quite quickly. The really young ones need a fair bit of asssistance, but they catch on pretty well by the time they are using computers to any considerable degree. I work in a K-6 school and we use individual folders for all our students beginning in grade 3. All students in grade 3 use the same password (abc) which saves a lot of headaches. They love having their own folders on the server. The must learn to login using their name and year of graduation. So for example Joe Smith a 3rd grader, graduating in 2015, would enter: Name: smithj15 Password abc They keep the same folder through grade six when they leave our school. We show them how to organize their folders by creating a folder for each grade level. I'm in a K-3 school. The solution our tech people came up with is to have class log-ins. Every child in, say, Mrs. Jones' class has the log-in name "Jones," followed by a very simple password, such as "j" or "abc." Once the child has logged in, they "see" student applications and folders just for that class. If I'm doing something with the class, I usually create a sub-folder for each child, so they know where to save work. This doesn't eliminate every problem (I still find it easier to have the lab tech turn on all the computers and log-in ahead of time, especially at the beginning of the year) but it seems a nice balance between security and sense. Our second and third graders get the hang of it really fast. Our elementary students have had log-ins and passwords from day one. It is very easy to implement and the kids do well with it. Can't imagine not having them. Even the little ones learn their log-ins and passwords soon after being given them. Suggestion for implementation: Put the kids' log-ins and passwords on index cards with their name on the top one side and the log-in and password on the other. Alphabetize and keep them in a file box by class. Hand them out when the kids come to the lab. Collect them after they have logged in. After a while they will no longer need the card. We really stress the privacy policy and that no one should know their password but themselves and the teacher. I am in a K-5 building and students are introduced sometime in kindergarten with the teachers first 3 letters and their magic number as login and password. Ex. for you boh7 - boh7. It seems to work fine for most them and of course there are some who need help but by the end of first grade all students are successful. Keep it simple - While I now work in a 6-8 library, I worked for 6 years in a K-5 building first. All students and staff had personal logins so that they could safely save their work to a networked drive. And yes, it was hard for the youngest students to login, so if they didn't need to save anything, I would log the computers on for the class before they came, using a generic student password. In my opinion, students from grades 3 and up should be able to learn how to login using their name and a password they created. It will take some time initally, but it is time well spent ! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------ I am forced to go this route. I hate it using it for K's and first graders! I don't have my K's sign in, I do whole group activities with a SMART Board or ask the class before them to leave their computers logged on. For 1st graders we do lots of modeling, use cheat cards and send homework with practice log in boxes home. I tell the kids that their usernames and passwords are just like spelling words and we talk about different ways to help us memorize them. Usually, the children are highly motivated and want to use the computers, so they learn it. By the end of 1st grade, I expect them to have usernames and passwords memorized. By the end of 2nd grade, I expect them to be able to log in in under 30 seconds. I time test them! It ceases to amaze me that a student in K won't be able to know or spell their last name but they sure can spell disney.com in the web browser window! -------------------------------------------------------------------- Please note: All LM_NET postings are protected by copyright law. You can prevent most e-mail filters from deleting LM_NET postings by adding LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU to your e-mail address book. To change your LM_NET status, e-mail to: listserv@listserv.syr.edu In the message write EITHER: 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL 3) SET LM_NET MAIL 4) SET LM_NET DIGEST * Allow for confirmation. * LM_NET Help & Information: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ * LM_NET Archive: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/archive/ * EL-Announce with LM_NET Select: http://elann.biglist.com/sub/ * LM_NET Supporters: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ven.html --------------------------------------------------------------------