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Because Sara states "For years..." this is a great philosophical discussion starter and begs the following thoughts. Two of which are... 1. I have bigger "fish to fry" then count kids coming into the library 2. The biggie being WHY DO WE HAVE TO SHOW NUMBERS? 1. With all of the management, collaboration and patron assistance I have to do during the day, keeping track of numbers of students coming in is a waste of my degrees and time. My Para-pro and I are working on management type issues, cleaning up the data, working collaboratively with other teachers, helping students in computer labs or out in a classroom troubleshooting or developing collaborative projects. I also have hallway duty between classes. Are we counters or are we Educational Leaders who are working collaboratively with our peers to assist our students in meeting their goals? 2. Sure, on that day when you are doing a tracking survey of all the things you do, count kids, the same way you extrapolate that data to show what happens in the library over the course of time you can extrapolate how many students are in the library. Do you also track how long they stayed? What good are the numbers without some indicators showing what those students came in to do? You have circulation records; you can SHOW what was happening that way. They are on passes aren't they? Are the teachers counting? Why do you have too? What are you doing with this data? (Now, we do track students in the computer lab, drop-ins must sign a log showing the period, date, what class and the project they are finishing.) We use this to show how vital the computer lab person is to help monitor the students. It also helps us make sure the students are actually working on what they are supposed to be working on. They will tell great stories of things they MUST do which ends up being just a place to meet their friends. The other part of this, who else has to justify their existence by counting students? I thought about the cafeteria, well, they can count the number of students who bought lunch, but are they counting all the other students that come in? Each teacher, takes attendance and knows how many students are in their classes, if the student asks to go to the library, do the teachers call you and verify that each student arrived? No, we sign their pass when they leave, so the verification goes back to the teacher, I am not tracking it. The only time that I call a teacher to tell them a student is on their way back is if I've had to send the student back as a disciplinary action. If you must, call your local fair grounds or somewhere that has turnstiles and ask if they are mobile and have counters on them? Use them for a week and then extrapolate the data. Jean R. Jean Gustafson Teacher/Librarian Selah Jr. High Selah, WA 98942 jeangustafson@selah.k12.wa.us http://www.selah.k12.wa.us/JHS/Gustafson/Library.cfm -----Original Message----- From: School Library Media & Network Communications [mailto:LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] On Behalf Of Sara Johnson Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 5:55 AM To: LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU Subject: TARGET: Turnstiles/Counting patrons I am looking for turnstiles that "count" the number of students who come into the IMC. For years we have used sign-ins to keep track of the hourly count of patrons entering the IMC, however, we get busy with other duties and often miss kids entering and exiting. In this age of library staff cuts I am trying to figure something to purchase that would count the number of students entering. We are thinking of purchasing something from Demco that is placed above the door and uses a beam to count patrons entering, however we have a double entry door and I know when more than one person enters at a time, the beam will only count one. Is anybody out there using turnstiles for this or some other good product? Would love to hear from you, Thanks, Sara Sara Johnson, IMC Coordinator D. C. Everest Senior High IMC Schofield, WI 54476 sjohnson@dce.k12.wi.us -------------------------------------------------------------------- Please note: All LM_NET postings are protected by copyright law. You can prevent most e-mail filters from deleting LM_NET postings by adding LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU to your e-mail address book. 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