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I really appreciate your probing association questions, Peter and Lisa! I don't know a lot about the survey Lisa is talking about (yet) but I do know that it was conducted by the APA, the Allied Professions Organization and that ALA and ALA-APA are separate, independent legal organizations with interlocking Boards and Councils, a different tax status and no divisions like AASL or YALSA. From the APA page <http://www.ala-apa.org/>: The ALA-APA provides services to librarians and other library workers in two primary areas: Certification of individuals in specializations beyond the initial professional degree (see www.ala-apa.org/certification/certification.html). Direct support of comparable worth and pay equity initiatives, and other activities designed to improve the salaries and status of librarians and other library workers (see www.ala-apa.org/salaries/salaries.html). I was on ALA Council when it was created in 2001 and the first things the APA Council was working were the certification of library workers and the possibility of offering health insurance for library workers who did not have that option available. The new director Jennifer Grady has worked hard on this survey. I'm guessing (my personal opinion, not speaking for AASL in any way) as Lisa does that schools were not included because we are part of teacher contracts that are so individually negotiated locally by teachers' unions, though the survey does list an average salary of a post-secondary teacher at $49, 040. I am sure Jennifer <jgrady@ala.org> would answer questions about why schools were not included and the methodology of the survey. Others currently on Council, can you add to this? Lisa, I'm interested in your efforts for pay equity. That's a tough issue for private schools, I know. Teacher salary information should be available through the National Center for Educational Statistics <http://nces.ed.gov/> and state education offices that can help your efforts. Here's one chart from NCES: <http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d05/tables/dt05_076.asp>. And, lastly, we get a LOT of service for the ALA part of our dues, though much is invisible till we need it. Intellectual freedom assistance is only one area. Most book challenges are in school libraries. All the best, Sara Peter Milbury <pmilbury@IIS.SYR.EDU> wrote: Dear LM_NET Colleagues, On Fri, 6 Apr 2007, Lisa Von Drasek wrote: > As a Teacher/Librarian waging the fight for pay equity I was pleased > to see that there was a new salary survey available from ALA. As I > began to look at the trial, there was no access to data for School > Librarians. Were they not surveyed? Is the information available? Is > this an oversight? Again? Sigh. Perhaps there is a assumption that all > school librarians are paid on the teachers' scale. ( not always true) > That teachers salary information is readily available. > http://cs.ala.org/websurvey/salarysurvey/trial/form.cfm What a disappointment! So, I thought, well it is voting time at ALA, and maybe we can vote for an ALA President who will make a difference for school libraries. I went to the online voting place, and dang, both candidates are working in positions far removed from school libraries. Then again, we have had school librarians as ALA President before, and nothing at ALA has changed with respect to how they treat school libraries. Inert bureaucracy? Maybe AASL should withdraw from ALA? Go it alone. Partner with another association that will fully appreciate the strength of our numbers and collective professional expertise. That way we will not be stifled and waste so much of our precious time waiting for ALA to treat us as equal partners in the Association. 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