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Kathy, I have taught at both an ALA-accredited and a school library (NCATE-recognized) program. An ALA-accredited Master of Library Science degree is considered the entry-level certification for a position as a librarian in all types of libraries except for school libraries. In other words, a school library teaching certificate will not get you a job in a public (or academic, or special) library, but neither will an ALA-MLS without the state teaching certificate (I know, each state has specific rules, but basically....this is true) get you a job as a school librarian in most public schools. I always try to explain to my students the differences so that they will know exactly what they are qualified for with our degree, and what they are not qualified for. It sounds to me like your professors did the same. The difference between the two degrees is not a matter of rigor, it's a matter of content. Even though the titles of the core courses probably are the same, in an ALA-accredited program, Reference, Collection Development, Cataloging, etc., will be much broader and will encompass the entire range of librarianship, which includes all types of libraries, not just school and public. It will also include the wide range of technical specialities that exist in the librarianship profession but outside of libraries. Sometimes school librarians who are enrolled in ALA-accredited programs complain that much of what they learn is not directly applicable to school libraries. That's true, and it's the way that it should be. The degree qualifies the holder for a professional job in any type of library. That ALA has so successfully placed this professional bar so high that it is universally acknowledged is a very good thing. You are also right, I suspect, that many of the jobs in public libraries are held by non-librarians. I also point that out to my students that even the manager of a branch library may not be a degreed librarian. The same is true for those staffing college reference desks. Whether to attend an ALA-accredited library science school or an NCATE-recognized school library program is a choice that must be faced at the beginning of the process. Once the learning kayak has made it down the river, you can't decide to change to a canoe. If you want to run the river in a canoe, you have to go back to the beginning and restart. It's a choice that you have to make in the early stages while still standing in ankle-deep water. I always make sure my students at least hear me explain their choice. It's a little-known fact that ALA's Office for Accreditation manages both the ALA-accreditation and the NCATE recognition process. This is not AASL (although they care as well), but part of the larger blanket of ALA and is what our dues pay for (in a small way). The staff in the office are committed to school library education and have been in there pitching when there is any question of misunderstanding of the rigor of the school library programs. So, to sum up a very long message --- your professors were right. Your school library teaching certificate and degree do not qualify you for a position in another type of library. It does not have the content (and is not intended to) of an ALA-degree. That has nothing to do with rigor. gail Gail K. Dickinson, PhD 249-6 Dept of Educational Curriculum and Instruction Darden College of Education Old Dominion University Norfolk, VA 23529 gdickins@odu.edu 757-683-6683 Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 10:53:52 -0400 From: Kathy Reel <kathy502@AOL.COM> Subject: ALA accreditation Fellow librarians, I have an issue that I have recently dealt with and for which I would like some input.? I received my Library Science Masters from an excellent university with a great library science program that doesn't happen to be ALA accredited.? As I planned to work in schools in Kentucky, this lack of accreditation was not a problem.? The professors, all so knowledgeable and sharp, advised that it could be a problem in public library work, although in my region where the university was especially well-known for its excellence, even public library work could probably be pursued.? Well, there was an opening in my local public library for a youth services librarian.? When I inquired about it to the library director, I was pretty much told that since I wasn't ALA accredited, I wasn't acceptable (or good enough is the impression I got).? What is so upsetting is that the program of library science I went through was an intense, challenging program in which I maintained a ! 4.0 through much hard work and study.? I am very well-versed in young adult literature and enjoy working with teens, able to establish a good rapport with them.? I feel that I am as knowledgeable and passionate about this work as anyone who applied, but I was unable to convince the director that the lack of ALA accreditation was not a detriment.? What is even more frustrating is that there are employees at this library who don't even have a library science degree that are "managers" of departments.? It seems that she is just beginning to apply this ALA only rule.? I guess what I would like to know from my esteemed colleagues on this listserv is just what is the difference between an ALA accredited degree and a non-ALA one besides the paperwork?? I checked the courses I took against the ones that an ALA institution offers, and I took the same preparatory courses.? All I've been able to find is that the ALA programs lean more towards public library service.? Any experience or! knowledge with this issue would be appreciated.? Oh, I am a member of ALA, which at this point makes me feel rather like the unwanted relative of an affluent family.? Thanks. Kathy Reel Librarian in Search of a Library Owensboro, KY? ? -------------------------------------------------------------------- Please note: All LM_NET postings are protected by copyright law. You can prevent most e-mail filters from deleting LM_NET postings by adding LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU to your e-mail address book. 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