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Thanks so much for all your very thoughtful responses! We are all trying to make our catalogs better. But guess what - we need help! I agree - the problem I described of not being able to locate information in our catalog about Albrecht Durer IS definitely a cataloging problem. I too have added access points as much as possible. For instance, all the people in my collective biographies have been added to the marc records. That didn’t help with Albrecht who only appears in our art and history books. Let's be realistic. No matter how diligent we are with cataloging - none of us has time to do what REALLY needs to be done to make our catalogs as user-friendly as Google. And whay should we have to? Why can't we get that info automatically with our MARC records? Surely the technology is available. Of course it is possible * and necessary * to teach students to look for more general topics, think af alternative keywords etc. - and then use indexes. As librarians, we do that all the time. Still * I think it is time for us to provide our students with a better search solution. Is there anyone out there doing that? Who should I contact? I know nothing about it - who IS in charge of MARC records? Is anyone at that level thinking along these lines? Is there some way I can get in touch with them? Here are my ideas: 1. If Marc records came with both the full table of contents and the full index - it would be a giant step forward. We already can search the table of contents in some materials - or enter it ourselves. But it is not enough. Who of us would have time to enter the entire index of a multi volume reference set ourselves into the MARC record? And why should we have to? Why - at the very least - can't that come to us when we order MARC records for our books? 2. Why doesn’t the table of contents for our books pop up in a library catalog search so our students can look at it - just like Google Books, Amazon et al? 3. And how about full-text search * why not? Google can do it * why can’t we? Yes - Google Book Search is a wonderful tool that we can use right now. Yes * it already points people in the direction of area libraries that own the book. However, it is overwhelming. Again - in an effort to bring us everything - it takes too much time to sift through the dross to find the gold. Instead - why can’t we use this technology to easily search a SINGLE collection - our own - which has been carefully selected to serve our own unique clientele? It just seems to me that in the age of Google - that library catalogs could be a LOT more efficient! If libraries don't figure out a way to make this happen - then it will be no wonder if folks prefer a google search! Thanks again for listening!Jacquie"The Librarian, whose job is to heal ignorance, to keep life safe for poetry and to put knowledge smack dab in the middle of the American way."From The Philadelphia Inquirer, 9-20-03 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jacquie Henry, MLS Ruben A. Cirillo High School (GHS) Gananda Central School District 3195 Wiedrick Road P.O. Box 609 Macedon, NY 14502 315-986-3521 x 3144 jhenry@gananda.org Library Page: http://www.gananda.org/library/mshslibrary/indexgcl.htm Blog: http://nlcommunities.com/communities/wanderings/default.aspx -------------------------------------------------------------------- Please note: All LM_NET postings are protected by copyright law. You can prevent most e-mail filters from deleting LM_NET postings by adding LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU to your e-mail address book. To change your LM_NET status, e-mail to: listserv@listserv.syr.edu In the message write EITHER: 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL 3) SET LM_NET MAIL 4) SET LM_NET DIGEST * Allow for confirmation. * LM_NET Help & Information: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ * LM_NET Archive: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/archive/ * EL-Announce with LM_NET Select: http://elann.biglist.com/sub/ * LM_NET Supporters: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ven.html --------------------------------------------------------------------