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Hello all, I've been reading this thread with great interest! I missed Jeff's original post, but I think that I've got the gist of his point. Our faculty has been having this discussion and there is (in a good way) tension between two extremes. In a nutshell ... "This is how kids are today so we should jump in and make school a part of their world" and "We've always been successful so why do we have to change?" Obviously, the healthy space is somewhere in between. I love technology (it lets me communicate with all of you ...), but I DO NOT believe that it is just about "Handing out the laptops, cameras, ipods, and questions and let them have at it." (and I know that isn't what Toni, literally, meant ...). The world that our students will inherit and live in will be different than the world we've prepared ourselves for. The traditional thinking skills, source evaluation skills and all the other good stuff librarians teach ARE STILL relevant to kids, but it'll be very helpful to our profession if we make the connection between the "traditional" and the new (Web 2.0) a LOT more explicit. Kids need to be TAUGHT what to do with their digital access and tools, (and how to do it) or they'll just keep turning out drivel and those horridly designed MySpace pages. I fear that if we don't teach them what to do with these great tools, that those laptops will just become $2000 pencils ... That would be sad ... and librarians will be seen as irrelevant. My 2 cents. dave Dave Wee, Librarian Harvard-Westlake Middle School 700 North Faring Road Los Angeles, California 90077 Phone -- (310) 288-3270 E-mail -- dwee @ hw dot com "You see, I don't believe that libraries should be drab places where people sit in silence, and that's been the main reason for our policy of employing wild animals as librarians." ~~ Monty Python ~~ -----Original Message----- From: School Library Media & Network Communications [mailto:LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] On Behalf Of Toni Buzzeo Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 11:16 AM To: LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU Subject: [LM_NET] GEN: Vision of students today: Pretty dismal...TEACHING! Hey Jeff, >I mean look: yeah, we all need to stay reasonably hip to the current >zeitgeist and do our best to tap it. But if a student chooses to spend >vastly more time attending to superficial digital chatter (and there was >really no suggestion of it being anything else) than academic substance, >utimately, should that really be my problem? I think that WAS the point (sort of). Weren't they saying that so long as they are passively sitting in a lecture hall/classroom with a teacher using the same old so-yesterday methods, they would rather attend to superficial digital chatter? But get them actively involved in their learning, thinking about what they do, what they think, what they want and WHAMO, you've got involvement, excitement, and a youtube! At least that's what I took from it. Hand out the laptops, cameras, ipods, and questions and let them have at it. THEN you've got involvement, investment, learning. Toni Toni Buzzeo, MA, MLIS <mailto:tonibuzzeo@tonibuzzeo.com> Maine Library Media Specialist of the Year Emerita Maine Association of School Libraries Board Member Buxton, ME 04093 http://www.tonibuzzeo.com Fire Up with Reading: A Mrs. Skorupski Story, illustrated by Sachiko Yoshikawa (Upstart 2007) BRAND NEW! -------------------------------------------------------------------- Please note: All LM_NET postings are protected by copyright law. You can prevent most e-mail filters from deleting LM_NET postings by adding LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU to your e-mail address book. To change your LM_NET status, e-mail to: listserv@listserv.syr.edu In the message write EITHER: 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL 3) SET LM_NET MAIL 4) SET LM_NET DIGEST * Allow for confirmation. * LM_NET Help & Information: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ * LM_NET Archive: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/archive/ * EL-Announce with LM_NET Select: http://lm-net.info/ * LM_NET Supporters: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ven.html * LM_NET Wiki: http://lmnet.wikispaces.com/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Please note: All LM_NET postings are protected by copyright law. You can prevent most e-mail filters from deleting LM_NET postings by adding LM_NET@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU to your e-mail address book. To change your LM_NET status, e-mail to: listserv@listserv.syr.edu In the message write EITHER: 1) SIGNOFF LM_NET 2) SET LM_NET NOMAIL 3) SET LM_NET MAIL 4) SET LM_NET DIGEST * Allow for confirmation. * LM_NET Help & Information: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ * LM_NET Archive: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/archive/ * EL-Announce with LM_NET Select: http://lm-net.info/ * LM_NET Supporters: http://www.eduref.org/lm_net/ven.html * LM_NET Wiki: http://lmnet.wikispaces.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------